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The same Elijah figure who does not appear in any epistles, including Romans that ostensibly describes Christ as the seed of David, and despite all the other references from the Jewish scriptures......
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He does appear in Mark, though, not only symbolically as John, but literally during the transfiguration.
Paul doesn't mention him, but Paul doesn't mention a "son of man" either. |
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So just what would be a celestial superhero? A heavenly superhero?
Is that someone from heaven or someone in heaven |
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But what that suggests as I mentioned before, that with all the scriptural quotes in the epistles, including from Malachi, the epistle writers do not invoke an Elijah motif for the Christ at all, which suggests that the underlying letters had nothing to do with messianic issues before they were integrated with the Christ motif.
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Why should Elijah appear in a Christian scripture? The early Christians tried to persuade Judaism that they were ’kosher’ and therefore respectable people. It is a pity because Christianity was a new religion and Marcion clearly understood it to be so. Islam is much closer to Judaism than Christianity, but it has always said that Abraham was a Muslim. Islam acknowledges Christianity, but reduces Jesus to the status of a minor Muslim prophet while ignoring the gospels. Perhaps Christianity ought to have said that Moses and his brother Aaron were Christian prophets |
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Because the epistles invoke all kinds of other Jewish biblical references from the prophets except the ones referring to the messiah or Elijah, as I discussed in the other thread on Old Testament references in the epistles. Yet in Romans Christ is of the seed of David, and the Davidic messiah need Elijah according to Malachi, which the epistles quote. Not to mention of course Isaiah 53 which is not referenced despite other references from Isaiah in the epistles.
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This shows Jewish precedent (and not an obscure one either, but one of their front and center prophets) for a human superhero ascending bodily to, and waiting to return from Heaven without any identification of that character as God or as coequal to/coexistent with God. |
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They tried to make Christianity acceptable to Judaism that is all. Well educated Christians read the bible and live their religion without being aware of the contrived and unnecessary references to the heroes of another religion.
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