Chili

I have no problem with you saying that but Aquinus still gets rediculed for stating something similar to that. I would say that it must hurt to see otherwise good people suffer because they were misled by a marauding wolf in sheeps clothing who forever is on the look-out for a suffering soul. This is especially true if it was only a temporary weak moment in time when this poor soul was 'fed' to the wolves. That, I think is a crime in itself for I do not think that such 'poor' people deserve to be tormented by a fire that burns in a place where the serpent is not willing to die (or the fire would die).

It just is a bad tradition and I marvel at the ignorance of those in charge.

DrJim

Could someone please tell me what Chili and Sheshbazzar are talking about and what it has to do with Goliath getting stoned?

Chili

Sorry about that Jim. We're just evaluating the quality of the stones that David used and kind of concluded that they must be hard to find these days as if the river itself is polluted.

yummyfur

if you know not their words meaning, you do well to withhold all other words until you receive those words meaning into your heart and into your mind, that you might live and not die.



Oh wait, that was just a reply from the mystical obfuscator java program I've created using their posts, it can answer almost any question, but doesn't really help you understand what the answer means, if you don't understand what the answer means then:

if you know not the answers meaning, you do well to withhold all other words until you receive the answers meaning into your heart and into your mind, that you might live and not die.

Chili

Nice words aren't they? I don't want to add feul to the fire but if life and death are opposite to each other life must *be* before death can be conceived to exist. From this follows that if life *is* death can no longer be except as an illusion.

yummyfur

no fuel added, I was just trying to come up with a clever way to say, "if you don't know what Chili and Sheshbazzar are saying, it's best to say nothing, as you will probably not understand their answer, if you pose the question."

on that note, I'll end with, "fools often don't heed their own wise advice"

Sheshbazzar

If you are at all familiar with the Scriptures you may recognize the words of the first sentence above, and by searching Scripture you might find that it is a quotation from Judges 14 where Samson sets forth a riddle and a challenge; because the riddle was based upon his private and personal experiences, none could solve it; that they were not able solve it honestly, did not remove the fact that there was only one answer and explanation that would be found acceptable.
Now is that too hard for you wise men to understand?
Thus the allusion I was making here was that contrary to assertions that there are "hundreds of 'just as good' explanations", not every explanation and answer that men might dream up is acceptable.
Every person that read the above post, also read there the word "Shibboleth", again were you altogether ignorant, not knowing the story and circumstances which preserve that word unto this day in a recognition that there are times and circumstances where the final choice between life or death depends upon only one single word, and that only that one word alone in coming forth from your lips at the time appointed may preserve your life? You esteem yourselves to be scholars and yet this matter is too difficult for your understanding?
You give yourselves here to postings of long wrangling arguments and disputations, you fill up pages with hundreds of thousands, yes even millions of words, yet that One Word that would justify you from all things you have not known;
Yet there are deaf men whom I have known who have heard it, and blind men whom I have known who have seen it, There are even men deaf, blind, and without speech, who yet take up the pen and write that one word, and give it witness. Yes, I have even heard them that are mentally handicapped singing it, How sad it is then that these were able to hear, to see, to know, and to understand, and give honor and glory unto that of which you have chosen to remain in ignorance and in contempt of.
Now what is it to me that I would have you to "live and not die" though you think to despise our Elohim and mock His word? The Gileadites took no pleasure in the death of forty and two thousand of their kinsmen at the passages of the Jordan, and neither will I nor my kinsmen, if you will not hear to amend your speech, but ignorantly or willfully choose to speak a wrong word at the time of trial. By your word you shall be justified, or by your words you shall be condemned.

yummyfur

I guess like most fools, I won't learn from my just made mistakes, but repeat them, so I will reply briefly.

If "understanding" will lead me to write pages and pages of allegorical posts on a forum of atheists, that are by and large ignored, please please please give me death instead.

Better that David hit me in the noggin with one of his four left over stones, than to be subjected to that.

spin

What I'd be most interested in is: where did he get the stuff?


psin

Sheshbazzar

Bread I have cast upon these waters, and Seed I have sown in the morning and in the evening upon this field, After many days, the fish will be fattened and multiply, the day comes when my nets shall be filled, and in due time this sowing will deliver a bountiful harvest.

Zerubabble