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Old 06-18-2005, 09:33 AM   #11
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...Probably the major innovation of xianity is the invention of a human god who we can know personally and has taken away all the sins of the world and in whom we can rest all our cares and woes. Swing low sweet chariot et al.
Yes! I never really made the mental connection, but this would explain the early dualistic premise of Christ being a link between the God who does not know you, who are also unknown to that God.

That might indicate the Marcionite movement was original, in a sense.
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Yes! I never really made the mental connection, but this would explain the early dualistic premise of Christ being a link between the God who does not know you, who are also unknown to that God.

That might indicate the Marcionite movement was original, in a sense.

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The Arrival of Jesus at Capernaum

Adv.Marc.iv.7 ; Panarion 42
3:1/4:31 In the fifteenth year of Tiberius Caesar,
Pontius Pilate being governor of Judea,
Jesus descended [out of heaven] into Capernaum, a city in Galilee,
and was teaching [in the synagogue] on the Sabbath days;
And they were astonished at his doctrine,
Adv.Marc.iv.7
for his word was in authority.
33 And in the synagogue there was a man,which had a spirit of an unclean devil,
and cried out with a loud voice, saying,
34 Let us alone; what have we to do with thee, thou Jesus ?
art thou come to destroy us? I know thee who thou art; the Holy One of God.
Adv.Marc.iv.7
35 And Jesus rebuked him, saying,
Hold thy peace, and come out of him.
And when the devil had thrown him in the midst,
he came out of him, and hurt him not.
36 And they were all amazed, and spake among themselves, saying,
What a word is this!
for with authority and power he commandeth the unclean spirits,
and they come out.
37 And the fame of him went out into every place of the country round about.
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Marcion (c 84-160 CE), born to the bishop of Sinope, was condemned a heretic and excommunicated in July of 144. In his teachings, he opposed the Jewish scriptures to new Christian teachings going so far as to claim that the God of the Hebrew scriptures was an evil, creator God and could not therefore be the same God as the father of Jesus Christ. In addition, he proclaimed a docetic view of Christ, claiming that Jesus could not be human, for the evil creator God created flesh. The role of Jesus, in fact, was to liberate Christians from the power of the creator God. He thought that only Paul understood the true teachings of Jesus Christ and accordingly formed the first canonical list of Christian scriptures. It consisted of the ten letters of Paul and the Gospel of Luke, which Marcion believed to have been written by Paul. Thus, Marcion did contribute positively to the history of Christianity by providing the idea of a New Testament canon and forcing the orthodox church to establish its own list of texts. Marcion succeeded in building his own church which survived in the East until the fifth century.

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Could Marcion's Gospel be the original Luke? Could Paul have written it?
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