Mageth

Off the top of my head, I can think of four previous threads where I've posed difficult questions to you or pointed out inconsistencies or contradictions in your posts in a non-ridiculing and non-insulting manner, only to have you disappear from the thread without responding.

Obviously, often you do respond, but there are enough cases in my personal experience to recognize that the charge appears to be sometimes valid.

Calzaer

Mageth hit the nail on the head. If you really believe in Sola Scriptura, you wouldn't have to fiddle around with extra-biblical references and scripturally-unsupported apologetic leaps.

Doctor X

Mageth:

Unfortunately even on a discussion forum, some take any question or challenge as an insult. They also assume anyone who does not agree with them are fools and feel they can identify them as such. This does, Heavens to Betsy, tend to generate less-than-cordial reponses which allow them to identify with a "See! Now you insult me!"

It is a juvenile tactic seen in some of the best playgrounds and political debates. . . .

--J.D.

Amos

Hello Doctor X, may I remind you again that Mark gives us the pagan perspective and he would not know about being born again from either above or below.

Unbeliever

The other thread on Biblical contradictions did not, in fact, "spawn into insults and sarcastic ridicule", and yet, where is your reply my request for more info regarding "irrelevant" contradictions? You seem to have simply abandoned the thread due to an inability to make your case, IMHO. Is this the honesty we can expect from a God-fearing Christian? Apparently so.

Doctor X

Must I remind then that such claims are not from the texts?

--J.D.

Magus55

Because the only thing the verse says condemns, is disbelief. If it was referring to water baptism, it would have said , but he that doesn't believe and is not baptised is condemned. Salvation comes from belief in Jesus, who baptises with Fire/the Holy Spirit. If you don't believe, you can't be Baptised by the Holy Spirit, and are thus condemned.

Mat 3:11 I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and [with] fire:

John says here that he baptized with water, but someone much greater than him ( Jesus), will Baptize with the Holy Spirit. If Baptism by Water was required, Jesus would have done that too since He is defintely more qualified than John.

Now, i'm not saying Baptism by water isn't important - its an outward sign of our inner change. But it doesn't save. It is just a symbol like a wedding ring. Baptism by water shows the public you belong to Jesus, like a wedding ring shows you are married. If you don't have a wedding ring, does that mean you aren't married? No, your marriage is written in a contract. Belief in Jesus and Baptism by the Holy Spirit is the marriage contract, Baptism in water is the wedding ring.

Magus55

What extra biblical references would you be referring to?

Amos

Well that's fair enough and let's hope that the "noble reader" is a freethinker.

JoeWallack

"God I love the sound of Psalms in the morning!"


JW:
On:

http://theologyweb.com/forum/forumdi...?s=&forumid=30

I've started 6 threads that I think describe some of the clearer errors in the Christian Bible:

http://theologyweb.com/forum/showthr...&threadid=7891

http://theologyweb.com/forum/showthr...&threadid=9598

http://theologyweb.com/forum/showthr...&threadid=8057

http://theologyweb.com/forum/showthr...&threadid=7522

http://theologyweb.com/forum/showthr...&threadid=7725

http://theologyweb.com/forum/showthr...&threadid=8407

Of course the clearest errors in the Christian Bible are the claims of the Impossible since the Impossible is Impossible but because Christians start with the assumption that the Impossible is possible it's Impossible to convince them that the Impossible is Impossible. Ironically Christians often use their belief in the Impossible claims of the Christian Bible as evidence that the possible claims of the Christian Bible should be given the benefit of the doubt as to their accuracy. In the Real World though, outside of religion, the Impossible claims by the authors of the Christian Bible should create doubt as to the accuracy of the possible claims.

For any Skeptics who are interested in demonstrating to Christians that there are errors in the Christian Bible I recommend taking your arguments to Theologyweb.com because the best way to demonstrate to Christians that there are errors in the Christian Bible is to demonstrate to Christians that there are errors in the Christian Bible as opposed to sitting here and demonstrating to fellow Skeptics who already know there are errors in the Christian Bible. An added benefit of posting to Theologyweb.com is that you can argue with "JP Holding" who in my opinion is the best public debating Apologist around. I Am going to go out on a limb here and prophesize that as more Skeptics participate in Theologyweb.com the operators will increasingly control the participation of Skeptics (if correct this will give me one more accurate prophecy than John the Baptist had in his entire career who Jesus described as the greatest prophet of all time). Currently, I hold the honor of being the only member of Theologyweb.com who has been put on eternal moderation.

Hey, was it over when the Christians evangelized Antarctica? Hell no! Well it ain't over now. Who's with me? Yaaaaaahhh!


Joseph

FAITH, n.
Belief without evidence in what is told by one who speaks without knowledge, of things without parallel.

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