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Jeffrey Gibson · 12-23-2008, 07:10 AM

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Actually what Eusebius is doing in EH 3.4.8 is noting that others say that Paul meant to refer to Luke's Gospel when he said "according to my Gospel."

φασὶν δ' ὡς ἄρα τοῦ κατ' αὐτὸν εὐαγγελίου μνημονεύειν ὁ �*αῦλος εἴωθεν, ὁπηνίκα ὡς περὶ ἰδίου τινὸς εὐαγγελίου γράφων ἔλεγεν· «κατὰ τὸ εὐαγγελιόν μου».

As you can see from the text and it's context:

Eusebius himself seems intent to dispute this claim.

Or is there something in this text that I missed?

Jeffrey

Maybe instead of bringing up a large family and working, I should have studied 23 million languages ,

Perhaps you should have. But in this instance, all you needed to have studies was one language -- which BTW, if my experience is anything to go by, many people have found no difficulty in learning while and at the same time as they "brought up" large families and worked full time.

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then I could have mixed it with the best.
I could have been one of the elite biblical scholars with letters after my name.
Could you translate that into Klion please?

Sorry, not only is Klion a language I haven't learned; it's one I've never heard of.

But obviously you have leanred it. Otherwise you wouldn't have asked me to translate the text above into it. And here I thought you had no time to learn languages!!

Jeffrey

Toto · 12-23-2008, 08:44 AM

I suspect that Transient meant Klingon, and it was an attempt at a joke.

If T's native English is sufficient, is this translation adequate?

http://www.ccel.org/ccel/schaff/npnf...i.viii.iv.html

And how does it support your assertion that "Eusebius himself seems intent to dispute this claim?"

S.C.Carlson · 12-23-2008, 09:14 AM

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What does this non sequitur have to do with the gospels' being written after Paul?

What you consider to be a non-sequitor cannot alter the actual chronology of Paul and the writings of the gospels.

Do you have any information where any writer of antiquity has contradicted Acts of the Apostles with respect to Saul/Paul or the church writers?

Some posters here have claimed that Paul wrote or preached Jesus when Jesus was not even on earth or had never died.

Acts claimed Jesus had died and ascended to heaven before Paul was converted, and Eusebius claimed Paul was aware of gLuke. According to Eusebius, Paul called the gospel of Luke "my gospel". See Church History 3.4.8

You're now repeating what your original post said. It wasn't clear then, and it isn't clear the second time around either. I still do not understand why you are equating "preaching" as "writing a gospel." They aren't the same thing.

Stephen

aa5874 · 12-23-2008, 01:10 PM

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What you consider to be a non-sequitor cannot alter the actual chronology of Paul and the writings of the gospels.

Do you have any information where any writer of antiquity has contradicted Acts of the Apostles with respect to Saul/Paul or the church writers?

Some posters here have claimed that Paul wrote or preached Jesus when Jesus was not even on earth or had never died.

Acts claimed Jesus had died and ascended to heaven before Paul was converted, and Eusebius claimed Paul was aware of gLuke. According to Eusebius, Paul called the gospel of Luke "my gospel". See Church History 3.4.8

You're now repeating what your original post said. It wasn't clear then, and it isn't clear the second time around either. I still do not understand why you are equating "preaching" as "writing a gospel." They aren't the same thing.

Stephen

Well, just give me any source whether it is written or an authenticated audio recording of Paul's preaching. An audio recording of Paul would be great. I eagerly await.

S.C.Carlson · 12-23-2008, 01:57 PM

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You're now repeating what your original post said. It wasn't clear then, and it isn't clear the second time around either. I still do not understand why you are equating "preaching" as "writing a gospel." They aren't the same thing.

Well, just give me any source whether it is written or an authenticated audio recording of Paul's preaching. An audio recording of Paul would be great. I eagerly await.

:huh: Another non sequitur. For that matter, you might just as well be asking for a video recording of Paul's preaching. Equally impossible, but at least we will also get to see what he looked like.

Stephen

aa5874 · 12-23-2008, 03:16 PM

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Well, just give me any source whether it is written or an authenticated audio recording of Paul's preaching. An audio recording of Paul would be great. I eagerly await.

:huh: Another non sequitur. For that matter, you might just as well be asking for a video recording of Paul's preaching. Equally impossible, but at least we will also get to see what he looked like.

Stephen

It is equally impossible for there to be a video, picture, inscription, image or drawing of Paul of the NT from the 1st century. Paul of the NT did not look like anything in the 1st century.

In any event, as far as I understand, you seem not to have any sources of antiquity that can show that Paul wrote or preached about Jesus of the NT before the so-called Son of God was on earth or had died during the reign of Tiberius.

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12-23-2008, 08:44 AM	#22
Toto Contributor Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Los Angeles area Posts: 40,549	I suspect that Transient meant Klingon, and it was an attempt at a joke. If T's native English is sufficient, is this translation adequate? http://www.ccel.org/ccel/schaff/npnf...i.viii.iv.html And how does it support your assertion that "Eusebius himself seems intent to dispute this claim?"

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