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RED DAVE · 07-16-2007, 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by praxeus

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Originally Posted by Pseudo-Deity

...where there any pre-Christian Jewish scholars who had done commentaries on Isaiah who explicitly stated in no uncertain terms that the prophecies indicated that the Moshiach would be a Bethulah (virgin)? If there isn't, then it seems pretty clear that the idea that the Book of Isaiah predicted a virgin birth was nothing more than Christian historical revisionism.

Hi P-D,

Hmmm...
And if your set of :

"pre-Christian Jewish scholars who had done commentaries on Isaiah"

has zero elements ?
Then you could disprove any interpretation by this logic.

Shalom,
Steven

Let me apologize in advance for this derail.

Uhh, praxeus, welcome back.

Just to remind you that you're about three months overdue on a response to this thread about Pyramids and All That.

http://www.iidb.org/vbb/showthread.php?t=202259

RED DAVE

gregor · 07-17-2007, 09:08 PM

Has prax answered any of the four other threads he abandoned?

Vicious Love · 07-17-2007, 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by gregor

Has prax answered any of the four other threads he abandoned?

Perhaps he's contemplating how best to lecture us on our integrity.

Steven Avery · 07-18-2007, 07:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Vicious Love4

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Originally Posted by gregor

Has prax answered any of the four other threads he abandoned?

Perhaps he's contemplating how best to lecture us on our integrity.

Since my recent 'abandonment' of many threads was due to the IIDB 'administration' suspension, based on 'moderator' actions .. (a variety of 'warnings' .. acting as a defacto censorship of vigorous Christian and Bible defense) the above is a particularly strange combination of posturing skeptic rhetoriticians-at-work.

Meanwhile, having learned more excellently the modus operandi of the forum, I have absolutely no intention of getting involved in IIDB 'debates'. Since it would likely lead to my full banning from IIDB if I defend my positions too vigorously.

And I do enjoy and appreciate some scholarship issues here, such as the ones I was discussing on the earlier posts on this thread about historic Jewish understandings in the 1st century of Messianic themes, so .. little or no debates.

Thus any challenges to 'debate' should recommend a good, solid, impartial outside fairly-moderated forum for consideration with the invitation. So we could go to town in vigorous discussion and have other excellent input and without the type of snideful rant so common here. On science issues I might be able to recommend one or two, although I haven't checked recently, you can PM me privately for discussion.

And you can expect my posting here to be minimal, not five or ten threads at a time as before earlier in the year, but one or two, in unlikely circumstances three. During my suspension hiatus from posting or viewing IIDB I got involved in some very fine and interesting forums and discussions.

So in one sense I am grateful that the skeptic push came to shove here. It really helped me to have a more productive and balanced research and posting environment.

So, all things considered, you would do very well to stop the skeptic posturing.

Looking forward to interesting and edifying discussions here.

Shalom,
Steven Avery

RED DAVE · 07-18-2007, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by praxeus

Since my recent 'abandonment' of many threads was due to the IIDB 'administration' suspension, based on 'moderator' actions .. (a variety of 'warnings' .. acting as a defacto censorship of vigorous Christian and Bible defense) the above is a particularly strange combination of posturing skeptic rhetoriticians-at-work.

Meanwhile, having learned more excellently the modus operandi of the forum, I have absolutely no intention of getting involved in IIDB 'debates'. Since it would likely lead to my full banning from IIDB if I defend my positions too vigorously.

And I do enjoy and appreciate some scholarship issues here, such as the ones I was discussing on the earlier posts on this thread about historic Jewish understandings in the 1st century of Messianic themes, so .. little or no debates.

Thus any challenges to 'debate' should recommend a good, solid, impartial outside fairly-moderated forum for consideration with the invitation. So we could go to town in vigorous discussion and have other excellent input and without the type of snideful rant so common here. On science issues I might be able to recommend one or two, although I haven't checked recently, you can PM me privately for discussion.

And you can expect my posting here to be minimal, not five or ten threads at a time as before earlier in the year, but one or two, in unlikely circumstances three. During my suspension hiatus from posting or viewing IIDB I got involved in some very fine and interesting forums and discussions.

So in one sense I am grateful that the skeptic push came to shove here. It really helped me to have a more productive and balanced research and posting environment.

So, all things considered, you would do very well to stop the skeptic posturing.

Looking forward to interesting and edifying discussions here.

Shalom,
Steven Avery

How about a response to the thread on Pyramids and all That? I've got seniority: you promised a response months ago.

By the way, I'm aware that your "administrative suspension" has been lifted for weeks.

RED DAVE

Steven Avery · 07-18-2007, 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by RED DAVE

By the way, I'm aware that your "administrative suspension" has been lifted for weeks.[/B]

Then you should also be aware that I lost most of my interest in posting on IIDB with the various nonsense, including the lack of a level playing field and the absurdity of some of the 'warnings' that led to the suspension. And the humorous frustrations in dealing with the hydra-headed anti-Christian "Alphonse & Gaston" moderator-administration bureaucracy.

So I will post at my leisure on those threads I consider of merit and that are less likely to provoke itchy trigger-finger warnings, suspension and banning.

At the moment this is the one thread of interest.

Shalom,
Praxaluh

RED DAVE · 07-18-2007, 12:06 PM

From RED DAVE:

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By the way, I'm aware that your "administrative suspension" has been lifted for weeks.

From praxeus:

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Then you should also be aware

How would I, or anyone else, be aware if you don't inform us.

From praxeus:

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that I lost most of my interest in posting on IIDB with the various nonsense, including the lack of a level playing field and the absurdity of some of the 'warnings' that led to the suspension. And the humorous frustrations in dealing with the hydra-headed anti-Christian "Alphonse & Gaston" moderator-administration bureaucracy.

So I will post at my leisure on those threads I consider of merit and that are less likely to provoke itchy trigger-finger warnings, suspension and banning.

At the moment this is the one thread of interest.

Well, that's a brazen an excuse for ducking a thread as I've ever read, especially when you made a commitment several months ago to continue the discussion.

RED DAVE

Vicious Love · 07-18-2007, 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by praxeus

Since my recent 'abandonment' of many threads was due to the IIDB 'administration' suspension, based on 'moderator' actions .. (a variety of 'warnings' .. acting as a defacto censorship of vigorous Christian and Bible defense) the above is a particularly strange combination of posturing skeptic rhetoriticians-at-work.

Meanwhile, having learned more excellently the modus operandi of the forum, I have absolutely no intention of getting involved in IIDB 'debates'. Since it would likely lead to my full banning from IIDB if I defend my positions too vigorously.

And I do enjoy and appreciate some scholarship issues here, such as the ones I was discussing on the earlier posts on this thread about historic Jewish understandings in the 1st century of Messianic themes, so .. little or no debates.

Thus any challenges to 'debate' should recommend a good, solid, impartial outside fairly-moderated forum for consideration with the invitation. So we could go to town in vigorous discussion and have other excellent input and without the type of snideful rant so common here. On science issues I might be able to recommend one or two, although I haven't checked recently, you can PM me privately for discussion.

And you can expect my posting here to be minimal, not five or ten threads at a time as before earlier in the year, but one or two, in unlikely circumstances three. During my suspension hiatus from posting or viewing IIDB I got involved in some very fine and interesting forums and discussions.

So in one sense I am grateful that the skeptic push came to shove here. It really helped me to have a more productive and balanced research and posting environment.

So, all things considered, you would do very well to stop the skeptic posturing.

Looking forward to interesting and edifying discussions here.

Shalom,
Steven Avery

They were two simple questions, praxeus. No one is going to ban you for answering them. More to the point, you promised to answer them and, when pressed to keep your promise, responded by assaulting our integrity and our willingness to fulfill our promises. To go back on your word now would be hypocrisy, plain and simple, and no amount of indignation or accusations of persecution can obscure that.

Edit: Incidentally, your above posts certainly read like a lecture on integrity to me. Well, not quite a lecture, more of an admonishment. Be that as it may, I guess my prediction was more than "a particularly strange combination of posturing skeptic rhetoriticians-at-work".

Sauron · 07-18-2007, 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by praxeus

=Since it would likely lead to my full banning from IIDB if I defend my positions too vigorously.

Answering your abandoned threads isn't going to get you banned. It's a nice attempt at manufacturing an excuse for failure to respond, though.

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So, all things considered, you would do very well to stop the skeptic posturing.

Or you could just waving your hands about early Jewish manuscripts and traditions, and respond to the threads you abandoned.

Dreadnought · 07-18-2007, 03:36 PM

I suppose there will be less posts to skip for me then. Every cloud has a silver lining.

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