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Ulrich · 01-18-2008, 12:47 PM

This is typical Xian apologetics, all of which has been thoroughly refuted. Justin Martyr was an apologist, the passages and Tacitus and Josephus are widely considered to be interpolations by biblical scholars. Don't even get me started on the so called 'prophesies', but if you think any of this carries weight, I would challenge you to take those arguments over to BC&H.

Iacchus · 01-18-2008, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Toto

"If Jesus did not exist, how could the Jews reject him?" HUH?

That's a good one. So, can you answer that? Obviously, the Jews do not claim to have ever heard of Him. Or, do they?

Headache · 01-18-2008, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Jenny911

Toto, check your speakers buddy

There's narration.

I get into atheist forums and discuss subjects like evolution the existence of God etc... I discovered and met a couple of ppl who really believe Christ never existed... I saw this vid on youtube about the existence of Christ with referenced records of His existence and figured it would be interesting to share around.

If this is the arguments you have for a historical jesus, I think we can firmly conclude he did not exist!

Iacchus · 01-18-2008, 09:43 PM

So, was it just one great conspiracy? And whose idea was it to start it?

DMC · 01-18-2008, 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Jenny911

Toto, check your speakers buddy

There's narration.

I get into atheist forums and discuss subjects like evolution the existence of God etc... I discovered and met a couple of ppl who really believe Christ never existed... I saw this vid on youtube about the existence of Christ with referenced records of His existence and figured it would be interesting to share around.

I think you mean you encounter people who think Jesus never existed. You make the leap from "Jesus" to "Christ" the same way someone would make the leap from "Mohammad" to "prophet".

I don't believe a christ ever existed. I think maybe a man named Yeshua existed, but it's a moot point if he wasn't a christ.

Biff the unclean · 01-18-2008, 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Iacchus

So, was it just one great conspiracy? And whose idea was it to start it?

Follow the money… which you will find in the Imperial treasury at Constantinople in the first half of the fourth century. What better place to look for Byzantine plots than in Byzantium?

DaMan121 · 01-18-2008, 11:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Iacchus

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Originally Posted by Toto

"If Jesus did not exist, how could the Jews reject him?" HUH?

That's a good one. So, can you answer that? Obviously, the Jews do not claim to have ever heard of Him. Or, do they?

Um, of course they heard of him.. they heard the Jesus story. So what?

knotted paragon · 01-18-2008, 11:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Jenny911

Many agnostics and atheists insist that Christ never existed...

None that I know of - since everybody knows:

You don't fuck with the Jesus!

But your video? Nah, nothing convincing there...

Iacchus · 01-19-2008, 02:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Biff the unclean

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Originally Posted by Iacchus

So, was it just one great conspiracy? And whose idea was it to start it?

Follow the money… which you will find in the Imperial treasury at Constantinople in the first half of the fourth century. What better place to look for Byzantine plots than in Byzantium?

Well, apparently Tacitus new about it, around the time of Nero who, was noted for persecuting the early Christians. And this was in the first century A.D..

squiz · 01-19-2008, 04:38 AM

Check out how the narrator pronounces Tacitus. Is this even remotely correct?

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01-18-2008, 12:47 PM	#11
Ulrich Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: St Louis Metro East Posts: 1,046	This is typical Xian apologetics, all of which has been thoroughly refuted. Justin Martyr was an apologist, the passages and Tacitus and Josephus are widely considered to be interpolations by biblical scholars. Don't even get me started on the so called 'prophesies', but if you think any of this carries weight, I would challenge you to take those arguments over to BC&H.

01-18-2008, 09:43 PM	#14
Iacchus Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Oregon, USA Posts: 3,414	So, was it just one great conspiracy? And whose idea was it to start it?

01-19-2008, 04:38 AM	#20
squiz Regular Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Munich Germany Posts: 434	Check out how the narrator pronounces Tacitus. Is this even remotely correct?

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