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simongc · 08-09-2010, 08:48 PM

This has probably been threaded several times . BUT how or when did the image of JESUS transmorph into a beautiful Caucasian looking male with brown or golden hair as depicted in so many European churches and biblical paintings and Pieta s by the masters et al.

If he had been a true gentleman of the Jewish faith circa 33 AD surely he would have looked more like Yassar Arrafat than George Clooney. So why or when did it become unfashionable or untenable to depict him as being of Middle Eastern appearance ( police blotter lingo ).

Deus Ex · 08-09-2010, 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by simongc

This has probably been threaded several times . BUT how or when did the image of JESUS transmorph into a beautiful Caucasian looking male with brown or golden hair as depicted in so many European churches and biblical paintings and Pieta s by the masters et al.

If he had been a true gentleman of the Jewish faith circa 33 AD surely he would have looked more like Yassar Arrafat than George Clooney. So why or when did it become unfashionable or untenable to depict him as being of Middle Eastern appearance ( police blotter lingo ).

Christian anti-semitism, perhaps?

Toto · 08-09-2010, 09:00 PM

Depiction_of_Jesus

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Images of Jesus tend to show ethnic characteristics similar to those of the culture in which the image has been created.

aa5874 · 08-09-2010, 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by simongc

This has probably been threaded several times . BUT how or when did the image of JESUS transmorph into a beautiful Caucasian looking male with brown or golden hair as depicted in so many European churches and biblical paintings and Pieta s by the masters et al.

If he had been a true gentleman of the Jewish faith circa 33 AD surely he would have looked more like Yassar Arrafat than George Clooney. So why or when did it become unfashionable or untenable to depict him as being of Middle Eastern appearance ( police blotter lingo ).

But was Jesus ever depicted as Middle Eastern?

Jesus supposedly lived in Galilee for about 30 years but his FATHER was NOT from EARTH.

The IMAGE of Jesus is described in the NT Canon.
Colossians 1.12

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12 Giving thanks unto the Father....... Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son..... Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature..

So, Jesus had some kind of INVISIBLE image in the NT.

Now, outside the NT Jesus had another speculative image.

"Against Celsus" 1.32

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But let us now return to where the Jew is introduced, speaking of the mother of Jesus, and saying that "when she was pregnant she was turned out of doors by the carpenter to whom she had been betrothed, as having been guilty of adultery, and that she bore a child to a certain soldier named Panthera;" and let us see whether those who have blindly concocted these fables about the adultery of the Virgin with Panthera, and her rejection by the carpenter, did not invent these stories to overturn His miraculous conception by the Holy Ghost....

Panthera may not have been Middle Eastern but it is ALL RUMORS. Jesus was truly the offspring of a Ghost of God.

mountainman · 08-10-2010, 05:49 AM

From WIKI's Depiction of Jesus

Image Caption reads: Late 4th century mosaic of Christ as a teacher (traditio legis), drawing on classical images of philosophers

Image Caption reads: Christ as Emperor, wearing military dress, and crushing the serpent representing Satan. "I am the way and the truth and the life" (John 14:6) reads the inscription. Ravenna, after 500.

NOTE

The snake might also realistically represent the dominant pre-Constantinian religious cult
of Asclepius, the major temples of which Constantine utterly destroyed c.324 CE

Iznomneak · 08-10-2010, 06:16 AM

Here is an interesting collection of images:

http://www.religionfacts.com/jesus/image_gallery.htm

Chili · 08-10-2010, 08:19 AM

. . . because Jesus keeps coming and coming as "the way" wherein he dies on the cross (SIC) so that eternal life can begin. Jesus is a 'local' much in the same way as Mary is a 'local' except that Mary is 'imago of man' and Jesus is the 'image of the imposter' that is left behind.

I should add that they are locals throughout the ages in Christendom and therefore culture specific wherein Mary is the perfect image of mortal beauty and Jesus the sum-total of sinners.

ziffel · 08-10-2010, 10:39 AM

Ugly don't sell.

Americans in particular have a very good lookin' Jesus. I think at times he also waves a big American flag and carries an M16 strapped to his back.

A friend and I where I used to work once mentally constructed a movie script where American Jesus makes his 2nd coming, but this time he's coming to KICK SOME ASS.

aa5874 · 08-10-2010, 09:03 PM

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Ugly don't sell.

Americans in particular have a very good lookin' Jesus. I think at times he also waves a big American flag and carries an M16 strapped to his back.

A friend and I where I used to work once mentally constructed a movie script where American Jesus makes his 2nd coming, but this time he's coming to KICK SOME ASS.

But, if Jesus got KICKED out of heaven how would people know that he got his ASS kicked?

Maybe Jesus don't want the Americans to crucufy him.

mountainman · 08-10-2010, 11:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Iznomneak

Here is an interesting collection of images:

http://www.religionfacts.com/jesus/image_gallery.htm

Great collection!

Here's a good one, presented in previous threads,
with an unmistakeable likeness to Lord God Caesar Constantine aka "BULL-NECK"

Caption reads: Chi-Rho Halo, British Villa, 4th Century

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simongc Regular Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: queensland Australia and elsewhere Posts: 172	Images of JESUS This has probably been threaded several times . BUT how or when did the image of JESUS transmorph into a beautiful Caucasian looking male with brown or golden hair as depicted in so many European churches and biblical paintings and Pieta s by the masters et al. If he had been a true gentleman of the Jewish faith circa 33 AD surely he would have looked more like Yassar Arrafat than George Clooney. So why or when did it become unfashionable or untenable to depict him as being of Middle Eastern appearance ( police blotter lingo ).

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08-10-2010, 05:49 AM	#5
mountainman Contributor Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Falls Creek, Oz. Posts: 11,192	From WIKI's Depiction of Jesus Image Caption reads: Late 4th century mosaic of Christ as a teacher (traditio legis), drawing on classical images of philosophers Image Caption reads: Christ as Emperor, wearing military dress, and crushing the serpent representing Satan. "I am the way and the truth and the life" (John 14:6) reads the inscription. Ravenna, after 500. NOTE The snake might also realistically represent the dominant pre-Constantinian religious cult of Asclepius, the major temples of which Constantine utterly destroyed c.324 CE

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Iznomneak Regular Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: South Florida, USA Posts: 159	Here is an interesting collection of images: http://www.religionfacts.com/jesus/image_gallery.htm

08-10-2010, 08:19 AM	#7
Chili Banned Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Alberta Posts: 11,885	. . . because Jesus keeps coming and coming as "the way" wherein he dies on the cross (SIC) so that eternal life can begin. Jesus is a 'local' much in the same way as Mary is a 'local' except that Mary is 'imago of man' and Jesus is the 'image of the imposter' that is left behind. I should add that they are locals throughout the ages in Christendom and therefore culture specific wherein Mary is the perfect image of mortal beauty and Jesus the sum-total of sinners.

08-10-2010, 10:39 AM	#8
ziffel Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Florida east coast, near Daytona Posts: 4,969	Ugly don't sell. Americans in particular have a very good lookin' Jesus. I think at times he also waves a big American flag and carries an M16 strapped to his back. A friend and I where I used to work once mentally constructed a movie script where American Jesus makes his 2nd coming, but this time he's coming to KICK SOME ASS.

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