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rebels · 12-21-2003, 09:18 AM

Being part Native American and having a wife that is also certainly gives us a differant take on Religion. I certainly feel all Religions are basically Pagan. They deny this and this shows their lack of integrity.

spin · 12-21-2003, 09:40 AM

Hello rebels.

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Originally posted by rebels
Being part Native American and having a wife that is also certainly gives us a differant take on Religion. I certainly feel all Religions are basically Pagan.

You're probably right, but...

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They deny this and this shows their lack of integrity.

... I don't understand why they lack integrity if they can't see that religions are basically pagan. Sopisticated systems of clouding the issue, systems developed over the millennia through long refinement, prevent people from being sufficiently analytical. (As science developed, so did the clouding systems.)

spin

12-21-2003, 09:54 AM

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Originally posted by rebels
Being part Native American and having a wife that is also certainly gives us a differant take on Religion. I certainly feel all Religions are basically Pagan. They deny this and this shows their lack of integrity.

Who are they? Catholicism can incorporate all minor mythologies which shows the height of integrity. With this is not meant that all should be incorporated because all may not be beneficial towards the purpose of religion but it sure can be explained away in effort to reach conformity.

I certainly agree that religion is man-made but inspired nonetheless or faith could not lead towards understanding of the metaphor that exist only because we are lost in the obsured vision of our ego consciousness.

variant 13 · 12-21-2003, 09:54 AM

I think its a bit unfair to say "You're pagan. There's no use denying it"

If they don't want to be included then let them get on with it. Unless they are creationists or something like that, then its fine (my logic

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Sort of like this the ancient egyptians were pagan business (your view?)

beanpie · 12-21-2003, 10:08 AM

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The name Tallahassee actually means," Allah will deliver you sometime in the future." In North America, there are no less than 565 names of tribes, villages, cities, mountains and other lands sites of Islamic or Arabic roots.
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(Black) Muslims, from West Africa, visted America, A MINIMUM of 600 years BEFORE Colombus "discovered" America. They converted the Native American.

You are free to dispute this info, if possible.

http://www.themodernreligion.com/ht/...-columbus.html

http://www.victorynewsmagazine.com/A...heAmericas.htm

"Our belief is that the Great Spirit has created all things. Not just mankind but animals, all plants, all rocks, all on earth and amongst the stars with true soul. For us, all life is holy. All of nature is within us and we are part of all nature." Chief White Cloud

"What is life? It is the flash of a firefly in the night." Crowfoot

"In the life of the Indian there was only one inevitable duty- the duty of prayer - the daily recognition of the Unseen and the Eternal." Ohiyesa

Viti · 12-21-2003, 10:43 AM

Revising history to fit any particular set of beliefs needs no specific refuting.

Tallahasee is a Muskogee word meaning 'old town'

12-21-2003, 10:58 AM

The consolation may be that the "old town" is 'begging for deliverance.'

Doctor X · 12-21-2003, 11:20 AM

I am sorry, I thought I had left General Religion and was in BC & H. . . .

--J.D.

12-21-2003, 12:20 PM

Sorry your royal highness and in case it may comfort you, we settled the HJ question a long time ago.

Doctor X · 12-21-2003, 12:27 PM

Well it does have random non sequiturs and ravings so it does look a bit like BC&H.

Anyways, the Indians cannot be Muslim because . . . like . . . according the In Search of Jesus movie--made by the same idiots looking for an Ark--Junior converted all of them . . . or . . . wait . . . maybe they are all the "missing tribe" which means they are all Jewish. . . .

As always, one should base history on evidence rather than on faith.

--J.D.

12-21-2003, 09:18 AM	#1
rebels Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: metropolis, il Posts: 23	Native American beliefs Being part Native American and having a wife that is also certainly gives us a differant take on Religion. I certainly feel all Religions are basically Pagan. They deny this and this shows their lack of integrity.

12-21-2003, 10:08 AM	#5
beanpie Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: voston Posts: 699	They converted the Native American. quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The name Tallahassee actually means," Allah will deliver you sometime in the future." In North America, there are no less than 565 names of tribes, villages, cities, mountains and other lands sites of Islamic or Arabic roots. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- (Black) Muslims, from West Africa, visted America, A MINIMUM of 600 years BEFORE Colombus "discovered" America. They converted the Native American. You are free to dispute this info, if possible. http://www.themodernreligion.com/ht/...-columbus.html http://www.victorynewsmagazine.com/A...heAmericas.htm "Our belief is that the Great Spirit has created all things. Not just mankind but animals, all plants, all rocks, all on earth and amongst the stars with true soul. For us, all life is holy. All of nature is within us and we are part of all nature." Chief White Cloud "What is life? It is the flash of a firefly in the night." Crowfoot "In the life of the Indian there was only one inevitable duty- the duty of prayer - the daily recognition of the Unseen and the Eternal." Ohiyesa

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12-21-2003, 09:54 AM	#4
variant 13 Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: no where, uk Posts: 4,677	I think its a bit unfair to say "You're pagan. There's no use denying it" If they don't want to be included then let them get on with it. Unless they are creationists or something like that, then its fine (my logic ) Sort of like this the ancient egyptians were pagan business (your view?)

12-21-2003, 10:43 AM	#6
Viti Contributor Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Down South Posts: 12,879	Revising history to fit any particular set of beliefs needs no specific refuting. Tallahasee is a Muskogee word meaning 'old town'

12-21-2003, 10:58 AM	#7
Amos Guest Posts: n/a	The consolation may be that the "old town" is 'begging for deliverance.'

12-21-2003, 11:20 AM	#8
Doctor X Banned Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: USA Posts: 3,794	I am sorry, I thought I had left General Religion and was in BC & H. . . . --J.D.

12-21-2003, 12:20 PM	#9
Amos Guest Posts: n/a	Sorry your royal highness and in case it may comfort you, we settled the HJ question a long time ago.

12-21-2003, 12:27 PM	#10
Doctor X Banned Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: USA Posts: 3,794	Well it does have random non sequiturs and ravings so it does look a bit like BC&H. Anyways, the Indians cannot be Muslim because . . . like . . . according the In Search of Jesus movie--made by the same idiots looking for an Ark--Junior converted all of them . . . or . . . wait . . . maybe they are all the "missing tribe" which means they are all Jewish. . . . As always, one should base history on evidence rather than on faith. --J.D.

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