Yellum Notnef

Your Lord was maliciously insulted in the worst possible way and yet you managed to behave yourself. Good for you.

aa5874

Your Logic is extremely FAULTY.

Once you POSTULATE the whole Gospels are FICTION then all claims in the Gospels that people died and resurrected are TOTAL Fiction and have ZERO historical value or precedent.

Once you POSTULATE the whole Gospels are FICTION then the claim by Paul that Jesus died for our Sins is ABSOLUTE Fiction.

I will soon Postulate that Jesus was NOT human as stated in Galatians 1.1 and we will see if we get the same result.

Scotsguy44

I don't seem to have explained myself too well. What I mean is this: `

1. We assume for the sake of argument that we are reading absolute fiction in the Gospels.
2. In reading that absolute fiction in the Gospels we read of fictional accounts of fictional people who are fictionally raised from the dead but remain as the same fictional persons as they were previously.
3. Therefore we have in those fictional accounts fictional precedent that fictional persons such as Jesus can fictionally rise from the dead yet be the same fictional person as he was in his fictional identity before his fictional death.

That seems to me as logically valid?

Thanks
Matt

aa5874

I have already answered your question.

Please review my previous post. Your logic is extremely faulty.

Sheshbazzar

May not have been different bodies. But it is highly questionable whether they were any longer human.

By all medical and scientific experience and knowledge, the human brain suffers permanent and irreversible brain damage, followed by brain-death, if deprived of blood-flow and life giving oxygen for only a few minutes at normal temperatures. Death may occur within as little as three to five minutes.

What would be the condition of the brain of cadaver that was four days dead, and without any medical interventions at all?

Lazarus, we are told, came forth from his grave after being dead for four days.
(the text emphasizes that Lazarus was really dead dead, and not just appearing to be dead)

What the story never tells us however, is whether this walking cadaver called Lazarus had any brain function, or was in any mental or medical sense any longer a human.
The only further reference directly to Lazarus has him sitting at a table. (Jhn 12:2)
What it doesn't tell us is whether this zombie thing called Lazarus was even conscious.
Was 'Lazarus' now a drooling idiot?
Did they need to prop this zombie thing up? or tie it to a chair?
Was 'Lazarus' just staring vacantly into the air? Was he even breathing?
Did this thing called Lazarus now only mutter; 'braaains... braaaines....b-b-braaains' ???

Yes, there is precedent in the Gospels for humans being raised from the dead to life.
And one might well wonder how many days, weeks, months, or years those dead zombie saints had lain in their tombs stewing in the juices of their decomposition before they clawed their way out following the Cruci-fiction? (Matt 27:52-53)
Think they simply took up living their old normal human lives again? perhaps even grabbed back everything that had been divided between their children upon their deaths? Or perhaps got in a little more of the old boom-boom with their former (possibly remarried) mates? -that is if their members hadn't already rotted off.

Then there is Zombie Jeebus himself, a guy once deader than a door-nail, now up and out schlepping about in a carcase that is riddled with holes- one being big enough to stuff a hand through, -perhaps even grab a handful of ropey intestines or liver-
And as though that isn't enough, this gruesome thing is able to teleport about and shape-shift at will, but we are supposed to accept that this grotesque yet all-powerful, reality controlling and distorting, THING is human and even feel sorry for it?

But there is more! Unless we are willing to spend the rest of our entire human life-times in groveling before it, drinking its blood and eating its flesh, it threatens to likewise raise us up out of our graves and make us to live forever so that it can enjoy having us tortured and burned on and on for all of eternity.
Because.....ta da! It just loves us so much!

Freddy Krueger is a sweet little choirboy alongside Zombie Jeebus thing.
Hell, it would make more sense to worship Freddy Krueger than this horrid monstrosity.
At least with Freddy when he is done with you, you are -thankfully- dead.

I seriously doubt one could come up with a worse or more evil monster than old living-dead Zombie Jeebus.

I ain't afraid of this stupid and insane religion invented boogy-man, and I sure as hell ain't going to worship it nor support any of its already brain-dead preachers.





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mountainman

It also happens twice in the NHC 6.1 "The Acts of Peter and the Twelve Apostles".


Wasn't he summoned forth by an irresistable power?

Sheshbazzar

A puppet on a string.
Lazarus's free-will (if he ever had any in the first place) forever ended at his death.
Zombie Jeebus Gob took over total control. Poor old Lazarus cadaver was now nothing but an empty husk for the Zombie Jeebus parasite to 'fill', inhabit, and use to further spread the deadly ZJBD virus.

Steve Weiss

Fiction, not absolute fiction. The word absolute adds nothing to the meaning of the word fiction. A story is either factual or fiction. Fiction or non-fiction.

Steve Weiss

The logic is either faulty or valid, not extremely faulty or hugely faulty or gigantically faulty.

Scotsguy44

You don't seem to understand. I am granting you arguendo that everything in the gospels is absolute fiction. That, however, does not change for a second the fact that in that absolute fiction there are written fictional precedents for people being fictionally raised from the dead and being the same fictional people as they were before. If for those characters in the fiction, no less the case, at least logically, for the fictional Jesus.

Thanks
Matt