Chili

To be sure, the lineage of Joseph shows the recorded human side while the lineage of Luke shows the inspired son-of-man side.

ApostateAbe

I take it that you think the genealogy in Matthew is the recorded human side? I wouldn't expect that Greek Christians would know the genealogy of Jesus, so each source just made up a bunch of names to fill in the gaps.

Chili

I do not disagree with that nor do I think that it is important but the fact that it is stated to be a family record is all we need to juxtapose this with the inspired son of man line wherein Jesus was merely "supposed" to be the son of Joseph. Further, this lineage was not given until after the father and son became one when the skies opened and subsequently the dove descended (or crashed) which equals the collapse of the trinity wherein the holy of holies was fully exposed and he could see the very source (origin) of his 'being' . . . and simultaneously could see the source of his sin nature that was to be converted so they could be set free (metaphysic here) prior to ascension (liberation). Zamjatin called these mephistopholus = persistent such as sins of the clan, tribe and nation that are also ours to the innermost core of our being = what the 3 days in the netherworld (read subconscious mind) was all about when Jesus was cocooned in his tomb that just happen to be the back-yard of Joseph's place.

ApostateAbe

Fascinating. Is there a name for your model of theology? I would like to look it up.

Chili

It is called philosophy but not British Analytic nor is it Continental that was coined by British Analytic.

Jeffrey Gibson

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzlG28B-R8Y

ApostateAbe

OK, is there a leading figure behind this sort-of philosophy?

Jeffrey Gibson

A better and more pertinent question to ask is whether Chilli can demonstrate validity of his (her?) oft repeated claim that all that he (she?) says here is grounded in and arises out of the teachings of the Catholic and is good Catholic theology.

Where in any official expression of Catholic belief and teaching (say in the Catechism of the Catholic Church or in documents from Vatican II or in any Papal encyclical or in Aquinas' Summa) can we find anything even remotely resembling Chill's claims about Joseph?

Jeffrey

Chili

But Jeffrey, I never once claimed that anything I write arises out if the teachings of the Catholic Church nor even that it is Catholic theology. In fact I have stated that I never read the Cathechism and am convinced that it was writtten for the protestants. Having said this will I admit that I was born and raised as Catholic and have nothing but good memories of that.

As for Joseph, I just happen to know that he is the patron saint of sinners, I guess, since all Catholics are known to be sinners and have the confessionals to prove it. I then console myself in that none are saved sinners and those who claim to be are excommunicated by the Syllabus of Errors that replaced the Inquisition.

Chili

No, but perhaps you noticed that I lean heavily on Classis and Romantic literature and hold the position that we are wrong long before the bible is wrong. To say that it is inerrant requires me to read it first and that is not my ambition in life.