stephan huller

Some have doubt whether Peter and Paul suffered death in one day, for some say it was the same one day, but one a year after the other. And Jerome and all the Saints that treat of this matter accord that it was on one day and one year, and so is it contained in an epistle of Denis, and Leo the pope saith the same in a sermon, saying: We suppose but that it was not done without cause that they suffered in one day and in one place the sentence of the tyrant, and they suffered death in one time, to the end that they should go together to Jesu Christ, and both under one persecutor to the end that equal cruelty should strain that one and that other. The day for their merit, the place for their glory, and the persecution overcome by virtue. Hæc Leo.
Though they suffered both death in one day and in one hour, yet it was not in one place but in diverse within Rome, and hereof saith a versifier in this wise: Ense coronatus Paulus, cruce Petrus, eodem-Sub duce, luce, loco, dux Nero, Roma locus. That is to say, Paul crowned with the sword, and Peter had the cross reversed, the place was the city of Rome. And howbeit that they suffered death in one day, yet S. Gregory ordained that that day specially should be the solemnity of S. Peter, and the next day commemoration of S. Paul, for the church of S. Peter was hallowed that same day, and also forasmuch as he was more in dignity, and first in conversion, and held the principality at Rome. [golden legend of peter and paul]

la70119

Yes, I had found one of those, a magical amulet showing Christ crucfied in the most painful manner possible (combined with impalement) on Post #113 of the Xylon vs Stauros thread.

mountainman

The "Acts of Peter and Paul" is a late non canonical source often dated after Nicaea. The thugs had to deal with both the canonical and the non canonical sources, and it would appear that these were available to Pope Damasius, who preceeded Augustine and tutored Jerome. Damasius commenced the Roman tourist industry based on the legends that "PETER and PAUL were killed in Rome". Jerome and Augustine are interested in the current political situation in Rome, after Damasius had promoted Peter and Paul, as it appeared to them in the later 4th century.


SUMMARY: "Acts of Peter and Paul"

The Jews hear that Paul plans to come to Rome and petition Nero to prevent this. Another version of Peter vs Simon Magus miracle contest, this time with Paul present, and enacted in front of the Roman Emperor Nero. Paul is presented as "bald", and attracts his bald shipmaster, Dioscorus, as a follower after delivering his son from death. Nero kills the bald Dioscorus instead of Paul. The Jews rejoice.

The images themselves are of archaeological relics that themselves are either dated late or are questionable.

The source states:

This source is post Nicaean.

la70119

Most of the images I posted ARE of a late date, 4th Century CE. The style and medium are dead giveaways. We all know Christianity became quite the phenomenon in the 4th century. But I am VERY skeptical that the "questionable" images are also post-Nicene. The styles do not appear consistent.

Besides, the dating is NOT the subject matter. The subject matter is that there were Jesus stories that describe him using MAGIC. And the imagery SUPPORTS the story.

mountainman

Augustine 353-430 CE is writing a century after Nicaea, and at that time the so-called non canonical gospels may have still been widely circulated.

Assuming his account is accurate, which non canonical text involves a Jesus who writes books? Is there an extant text? I cannot think of one. The NHC mentions magic, but not as the subject of a book by Jesus.


There is also the "Jesus Bowl"