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To NOGO: I am trying to perceive and understand the logic herein presented. Bob K: Quote:
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1. Premise: The Bread of God = 'that which comes down out of heaven ...' Restated: God = Bread = 'that which comes down out of heaven ...' 2. Premise: J says "I am the bread (which comes down out of heaven) ..." Restated: J = Bread = God. 3. Conclusion: J = God. [Proves Proposition: J = God] NOGO: Quote:
"Him who sent me" = J n= God. [Does not prove Proposition: J = God] NOTE: n= means 'does not equal/is not equal to.' NOGO: Quote:
Premise: Son n= Father/Father n= Son [A son is not his father/A father is not his son] Premise: J = Son of God. Conclusion: J = Son n= Father/God. [Does not prove Proposition: J = God] NOGO: Quote:
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'that which comes down from heaven = bread = 'who gives life' = Spirit. 'words ...' = spirit = life = 'that which comes down from heaven = bread = ?!? NOGO: Quote:
Restated: J n= words n= 'that which comes down from heaven'. Therefore, J n= bread n= God. [Disproves Proposition: J = God] NOGO: Quote:
... or ... J n= bread n= words of god n= God? NOGO: Quote:
Last supper = entirely symbollic = spreading of the word of God. NOGO: Quote:
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Contrast this last with the following ... NOGO: Quote:
Restated: J n= words, therefore J n= 'that which comes down from heaven'. Therefore, J n= bread n= God. [Disproves Proposition: J = God] NOGO: Quote:
But if we are confused, whose fault is it that we are confused? Is it our fault, for not comprehending? Or for not belieeeeevinnnng? Or for not having enough faith? Or is it the fault of whatever or whoever inspired and/or wrote the Bible? Quote:
Logical Argument: Premise: Father n= Son/Son n= Father. Premise: J n= Father/God Conclusion: J n= God. Logical Argument: Premise: Humans n= Gods/A human n= A god. Premise: J = Human. Conclusion: J n= God. One of my standards for the Analysis, Evaluation and Judgment of Holy Books ... http://www.bobkwebsite.com/stndrdsholybks.html ... is ... Quote:
Thus, the Babel does not meet the standards for being a true holy book. |
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01-07-2004, 07:16 PM | #72 |
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I am trying to perceive and understand the logic herein presented. NOGO: I am not out to prove that the Jesus in GJohn is not God. What I have shown is that GJohn does not claim that Jesus is God. Bob K Proposition: J = God. NOGO: Nowhere does GJohn make this claim. Bob K: 1. Premise: The Bread of God = 'that which comes down out of heaven ...' Restated: God = Bread = 'that which comes down out of heaven ...' 2. Premise: J says "I am the bread (which comes down out of heaven) ..." Restated: J = Bread = God. 3. Conclusion: J = God. [Proves Proposition: J = God] NOGO: How do you get that God = Bread. Obviously you started answering my post before you even finished reading and understanding it. Bob K: Not all of us 'know' that J existed, which is the issue herein in this thread, therefore we do not 'know' if he spoke, or what he spoke if he spoke, whether he spoke in parables, etc. NOGO: Hair splitting. I am talking about the Jesus as presented in the Gospels. NOGO: You seem to be confused about the logic. Let me put it in your syntax. What Jesus says in public J = bread = what people must eat to get salvation. When he explains it to his disciples The words that I speak (ie his teachings) = bread = words of god = that which people must believe to get salvation. Therefore the symbology is as follow: bread = teachings Therefore in the Last Supper Body of Christ = bread = word of God (ie teachings) Bob K: 'that which comes down from heaven' = words n= J. Restated: J n= words, therefore J n= 'that which comes down from heaven'. Therefore, J n= bread n= God. [Disproves Proposition: J = God] NOGO: If Jesus is not the bread from heaven then GJohn is not claiming that he is God. If no such claim is made then why do I need to prove that a man is something other than a man. |
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