Flagg

Isaiah 45:7 takes care of that question. I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things. Don't talk to me about "calamity," either, because I don't want to give your God the tag of writing poor analogies in His own holy book.
The town or the Jewish people? Pick one. I'd be willing to wager end-of-the-worldists way back when picked the city, and used to point to this verse during the Crusades and all the lovely times Jerusalem (the city) was stomped during those wars. How lovely vague passages are; they can be used to suit any need.

Flagg

Additionally, let's even take every single prophecy you've shown as being true, hell let's even say that the Bible says, "the nation of Israel will reform three days before the time when [significant unpredictable geological event at a certain location] occurs a few thousand years hence." How does that prove Jehova's existence?

sugarhitman

God did say that He would hide His face from the Jews in the time of their troubles, because of their sins.

In the days of the Crusades, Israel was no longer in existence, so no you can not just point to any end world view about any of the "lovely times" about Israel nor Jerusalem. :wave:

Johnny Skeptic

Israel is not proof of God's existence. If a prophecy is not true, all that it takes for it to come true is a group of people believing that it is true, and having enough military power to make it come true. If the Koran said that a Muslim temple would be rebuilt in Mecca, if a Muslim temple was rebuilt in Mecca, obviously, that would be a self-fulfilled prophecy, not a true prophecy. The U.N. endorsed the Partition of Palestine by a vote of 33-13. All that it took for that vote to happen was for the 32 nations that voted in favor of the partition to be predominantly Christian nations, and for the 46 nations who agreed to vote on the partition to have significantly more military power than all of the other nations in the world.

I just started a new thread at http://iidb.infidels.org/vbb/showthread.php?t=237212 at the GRD Forum. The title is 'Why would a God only make disputable predictions?'

Flagg

That's why I said Jerusalem (the city). Does Jerusalem not exist without an Israel around it?

What justice Jehova has on this Earth! Because all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God (Rom. 3:23), absolutely no race, even the ones He "chose," nor no nation, even if the United States became a Christian nation from the top down - nothing could please God, since ALL have sinned, since NOBODY seeks God (see earlier in the same chapter), and since not a single soul is righteous (ibid.). So why did the Nazis get to run all over the Jews? Why does He hide his face, apparently, more for the Jews than anyone save the Africans and Native South Americans? Is He a poster over on Stormfront?

angelo

That's too easy. It's because he never made any and there is no biblical god.

Johnny Skeptic

Fellow skeptics, believe or not, sugarhitman just started a new thread at the Evolution/Creation Forum at http://iidb.infidels.org/vbb/showthread.php?t=237214. Perhaps his next project will be starting a new thread on quantum physics at the Science & Skepticism Forum.

arnoldo

Thank you for your opinion. My opinion is that Israel is proof of God's existence. Who rescued Israel when it was in slavery in Egypt? Who rescued Israel when it was held in captivity in Baylon? Who revived Israel when the nation was destroyed by the Romans? Notice the nations of Israel faced extinction 3 times and survived each and every threat and will survive every threat in the future.

Sheshonq

Nobody -- since there is zero evidence that the Hebrews were ever in Egypt in the first place.

Same answer: the majority of Hebrews stayed in Palestine. Only the ruling class and artisans were deported to Babylon. No rescue needed.

Nobody. It was destroyed. 1900 years afterwards, Jews from Europe began to use the military might and colonial power of Great Britain to seize lands belonging to other people. Christian nations, racked with guilt over Nazi Germany, went along with Jewish demands to bless these outright acts of theft.

You need counting lessons.

Johnny Skeptic

No one because they were not there.

Certainly not the God of the Bible since he does not exist.

Same as before.

Anyone who has just a modest amount of sense know that a God would easily be able to convince everyone in the world that he can predict the future. Such being the case, if a God exist, any rational man knows that he has not attempted to convince anyone to believe that he is able to predict the future. If he did, he would not always make disuputable prophecies when he could easily make indisputable prophecies. You are living in a fantasy world.