IBelieveInHymn

The context of Isaiah 45:7 makes it clear that something other than “bringing moral evil into existence” is in mind. The context of Isaiah 45:7 is God rewarding Israel for obedience and punishing Israel for disobedience. http://www.gotquestions.org/Isaiah-45-7.html

I'm not wrong on this verse. You guys don't seem to understand when God speaks. You seem to get mixed up and confused..

Look behind you.. Satan is laughing..

Sheshbazzar

"Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? shall there be evil in a city, and YHWH hath not worked it? " Amos 3:6

The question (you have not yet answered) then is....Who is it alone, that has an irresistible plan,
And whom is thereby ultimately responsible for all and everything that transpires? Is it YHWH? or is it Satan?

Is Satan under the control of YHWH? subject to carrying out YHWH's plan and will?
Or is it YHWH that is under the control of Satan? being forced by Satan's plans and will ?
The one that has the upper hand wears the mantle of the responsibility for all that transpires.

In my Book it is YHWH that is in absolute control of everything.
Satan is only His servant, created by YHWH to do His bidding, and to work on carrying out that PLAN made by YHWH his Master.

Therefore it is not Satan that is responsible for any evil, he, and his minions, are all only servants subject to the PLAN of YHWH.
You seem to be the one confused about whose PLAN it is that is being carried out, and Whom it is, that is solely responsible for all that occurs under that PLAN.
When you attempt to shift the mantle of that responsibility from the shoulder of YHWH, you also rob YHWH of a commensurate portion of the Fear, Reverence, Glory and that Honor due ONLY unto HIM, and then you attempt to foolishly transfer that rag of mantle to the shoulder of, and to the glory of your master Satan.
Shame upon you.

Amaleq13

No, it doesn't. Declaring that God created everything good and everything evil obviously fits right into the context of God rewarding and punishing. :banghead:

The word, in context, means "created". Deal with it.

IBelieveInHymn

When a trumpet sounds in a city, do not the people tremble? When disaster comes to a city, has not the LORD caused it? Do you know the meaning of these verse? God is talking about his vengeance and wrath he can send upon those who are disobedient to him.

Why are you trying to paint YHWH as an evil force? Do you know the Vatican would ban you from their grounds?


Satan is in control of this world as we speak. Just watch the video tape of the airplanes crashing into the World Trade Centers, that is the power of Satan. And then look into bin Laden's eyes, you can clearly see the Devil.

Satan has a grip on mankind, but YHWH is not going to stop it. YHWH has given mankind two options. "Good and Evil." People that do evil deeds are certainly not following YHWH.

The answer is no. Why would you even ask this? YHWH made it perfectly clear, he is the only GOD, and there shall be no other before him or after him. You will know he is the LORD when he sets his vengeance upon mankind. We know what is evil and what is good, but the majority of mankind is choosing evil.


Show me the verse(s) where YHWH tells Satan what to do.

Did evil exist prior to Adam and Eve? If so, explain.


It is not YHWH who creates evil, you are mistaken. He will bring his wrath upon those who are wicked. You are twisting these verses and making it look like YHWH is evil, and Satan is good.

I've explained this over and over. YHWH is a GOD of GOOD, but by the same hand, he can be the GOD of VENGEANCE. God loves mankind more than the Angels, but he won't hesitate to send his WRATH upon us. Whether you believe that is "evil" is entirely up to you. I don't see it that way.

And that's why I think you are mistaken. The verses you are reading are implying when the LORD shows his vengeance on those who are disobedient. Not necessarily "evil" intentions as you are claiming.

Did evil exist prior to Eve being fooled? If so, please explain.

bacht

Yes, if the opening lines of Genesis are echoing Mesopotamian mythology, that is, the defeat of the primeval serpent of chaos by the god of order (YHWH, Marduk). Aslo the appearance of "light" in the darkness is a symbol of God's power over evil.

IBelieveInHymn

I'm a God that creates darkness and evil. This verse is explaining the wrath of YHWH upon the wicked. That's all. No matter how many times you say otherwise, I see it one way, you see it another.

I think I posted the link to the Christian Think Tank about this verse. It's been explained so clearly, I cannot believe people still have a hard time understanding it.

IBelieveInHymn

Before the earth was formed, there was "darkness", God said let there be light. How do you see this as, "God defeating evil?" :huh:

There was no earth.. so how did evil exist?

dog-on

God kept it in a little jar by his bed.

IBelieveInHymn

God's little jar of evil. :Cheeky:

I can't believe atheists believe God destroyed evil and wicked people, but they also believe he created evil. :huh:

Dogfish

That IS strange. You seem to have no problem believing other baseless, false assertions.

Hint: atheist/believe God = oxymoron