rhutchin

Sure, right after you demonstrate that they are figments of the imagination.

Bet you can't do it.

JPD

And should someone ask God for help but that person does not feel that they have been helped it must be some fault of the person rather than because God has failed to deliver right? It isn't really an exercise in logic so much as seeing how desperate the arguments of believers can become.


Oooh oooh, is it time for false dichotomies again? If you don't believe in God you must believe in Satan. If you are not simple and ignorant you must be full of pride - so which are you?

JPD

Well yeah that's right - pegged- uhuh! Hmmmm...great. Lovely for you.

JPD

By their very nature they cannot be demonstrated to be anything other than figments of the imagination. In the absence of any evidence to suggest that they are anything more than figments of the imagination I must conclude, unless some evidence presents itself (not more and more concepts, appeals to undetectable authority, emotional please etc) that they are just that.

rhutchin

Regardless of the evidence, why do you suppose that people are unable to grasp the basic concept?

rhutchin

I win.

JPD

Actually no-one does - no-one can even begin to consider that one has until there is evidence for or against. That you claim to have won has as much substance as the things you claim exist by virtue of what has been written about them.

JPD

I don't think that people are - I think that you are unwilling to admit that the wager isn't as great as either you thought it might be or pretend that it is.

RGD

Then God is disproved or cannot be proved in this fashion. People ask for help and are not given it. Limbs regrown, anyone?

Mageth

Cheese and rice! How many times do I have to drive it home, rhutchin? Seriously considering the Wager, actually considering it at all, depends on one believing in eternal torment. The notion of eternal torment is the first premise of the Wager. One has to believe in it to proceed into the silly Wager. Without eternal torment, the Wager is a non-starter. Go back and read all I've written about that in this thread. There's a LOT.

And, of course, the notion of eternal torment is part of the same mythos that includes the God that the Wager attempts to get one to believe, and is extracted from the same Bible that the Wager assumes you believe - it's circular as Hell. So, as to the notion of eternal torment, if one accepts that, one has already conceded that one accepts the whole nine yards.

It's incredible that you're still keeping up the same nonsense, repeating the same lame garbage that you've been repeating, and that's been torn, diced, crushed, smashed, burned, crumpled, and shredded over and over and over again!