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Question · 08-15-2012, 07:12 AM

The reason given for the flood was to rid the world of wicked and evil people. History records lots of wicked and evil people after the flood.

So doesn't the flood story prove that god made another mistake?

outhouse · 08-15-2012, 08:10 AM

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give it 5 years, it wil be out.

theres enough junk out there now, a decent movie with a good foundation in biblical terms could take off into decades of movies if done right.

I would be intested in one of the flood stories from the North American native triibes, especially the Cherokee. Like the Hopi Tribe tribe talking about the Spider Woman and the spider people.

I think they are on their Peyote Cactus juice or smoke.

some mythology has no historical core

But before written knowledge as man was starting agriculture, they often settled next to rivers, not understanding yearly of hundred year floods, and thus some of our oldest legends have floods which were all regional.

with written records man started figuring out where not to place villages

outhouse · 08-15-2012, 08:11 AM

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The reason given for the flood was to rid the world of wicked and evil people. History records lots of wicked and evil people after the flood.

So doesn't the flood story prove that god made another mistake?

the flood is a myth and never happened.

outhouse · 08-15-2012, 08:13 AM

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we have plenty of fossils from flood deposits.

reason, knowledge and common sense are all that required

unfortunately YEC turn all that down and no evidence will ever convince them.

what needs to be done and its going that way, is we are breeding the brainwashing out, the old faithful are dieing out, and education is slowing the mythical brainwashing out of society. I think its to slow but it is progress

Noah and some of the other civilizations around Mount Ararat would fit in the 6,000 years (I assume that is the year the YEC use), but they do not allow for dinosaurs. Dinosaurs must not rate for them.

anyone believing in a global flood does not use logic or reason, and or flat refuses knowledge.

another issue is theist website promote's lies to sell theism.

Creationist website rake in millions from unsuspecting theist with no education but a fat wallet

aeebee50 · 08-15-2012, 01:33 PM

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I would be intested in one of the flood stories from the North American native triibes, especially the Cherokee. Like the Hopi Tribe tribe talking about the Spider Woman and the spider people.

I think they are on their Peyote Cactus juice or smoke.

some mythology has no historical core

But before written knowledge as man was starting agriculture, they often settled next to rivers, not understanding yearly of hundred year floods, and thus some of our oldest legends have floods which were all regional.

with written records man started figuring out where not to place villages

It is a matter of living or dying. Mythology stories could be used as educational aids to say lives by putting villages on high ground.

aeebee50 · 08-15-2012, 01:35 PM

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Noah and some of the other civilizations around Mount Ararat would fit in the 6,000 years (I assume that is the year the YEC use), but they do not allow for dinosaurs. Dinosaurs must not rate for them.

anyone believing in a global flood does not use logic or reason, and or flat refuses knowledge.

another issue is theist website promote's lies to sell theism.

Creationist website rake in millions from unsuspecting theist with no education but a fat wallet

Fear sells. Some of these theists are becoming rich.

outhouse · 08-15-2012, 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by aeebee50

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Originally Posted by outhouse

some mythology has no historical core

But before written knowledge as man was starting agriculture, they often settled next to rivers, not understanding yearly of hundred year floods, and thus some of our oldest legends have floods which were all regional.

with written records man started figuring out where not to place villages

It is a matter of living or dying. Mythology stories could be used as educational aids to say lives by putting villages on high ground.

thats the whole point of the bible

depite its errors, and mythology written in many ways including allegory, it was a educational aid for mankind on a epic level still used today. No other work has influenced so many people.

it worked for primitive men in ancient times and primitive men today

for the broke people eating dirt for a mean, it gives them light at the end of the tunnel.

The literalist are the ones who have trashed its true meaning

John Kesler · 08-20-2012, 10:19 AM

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The reason given for the flood was to rid the world of wicked and evil people. History records lots of wicked and evil people after the flood.

So doesn't the flood story prove that god made another mistake?

Yahweh himself realized this shortly after the flood. Compare:

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Before the flood:
Genesis 6:5-7
5 Yahweh saw that the wickedness of humankind was great in the earth, and that every inclination of the thoughts of their hearts was only evil continually. 6 And Yahweh was sorry that he had made humankind on the earth, and it grieved him to his heart. 7 So Yahweh said, ‘I will blot out from the earth the human beings I have created—people together with animals and creeping things and birds of the air, for I am sorry that I have made them.’

After the flood:
Genesis 8:21
21 And when Yahweh smelt the pleasing odour, Yahweh said in his heart, ‘I will never again curse the ground because of humankind, for the inclination of the human heart is evil from youth; nor will I ever again destroy every living creature as I have done.

outhouse · 08-20-2012, 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Question

The reason given for the flood was to rid the world of wicked and evil people. History records lots of wicked and evil people after the flood.

So doesn't the flood story prove that god made another mistake?

Yahweh himself realized this shortly after the flood. Compare:

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Before the flood:
Genesis 6:5-7
5 Yahweh saw that the wickedness of humankind was great in the earth, and that every inclination of the thoughts of their hearts was only evil continually. 6 And Yahweh was sorry that he had made humankind on the earth, and it grieved him to his heart. 7 So Yahweh said, ‘I will blot out from the earth the human beings I have created—people together with animals and creeping things and birds of the air, for I am sorry that I have made them.’

After the flood:
Genesis 8:21
21 And when Yahweh smelt the pleasing odour, Yahweh said in his heart, ‘I will never again curse the ground because of humankind, for the inclination of the human heart is evil from youth; nor will I ever again destroy every living creature as I have done.

thats goofy as a 3 dollar bill.

the flood never happened <edit>

Toto · 08-20-2012, 10:34 AM

We all know the flood never happened. I think John Kessler was treating the text as a story.

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08-15-2012, 07:12 AM	#21
Question Regular Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: By the Lake Posts: 342	The reason given for the flood was to rid the world of wicked and evil people. History records lots of wicked and evil people after the flood. So doesn't the flood story prove that god made another mistake?

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Toto Contributor Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Los Angeles area Posts: 40,549	We all know the flood never happened. I think John Kessler was treating the text as a story.

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