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Old 02-25-2008, 06:34 PM   #41
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There is no evidence for nothing. The failure to produce evidence for something may signify its non-existence. It is therefore reasonable to claim a thing does not exist if there is no evidence.

I claim Apollo does not exist since I cannot find any evidence for Apollo.
I claim Achilles and Jesus of Nazareth do not exist, because I cannot find any evidence of their existence.

Whether Apollo, Achilles or Jesus actually exist is not my problem, the non-evidence now supports non-existence. Those who claim Achilles, Apollo or Jesus actually exist should provide their evidence to support their position.

A juror can only reach a verdict with the evidence presented at the trial itself, and whether the verdict is guilty or not, that very verdict can be overturned by further evidence in the future. And if the original verdict is overturned by others because of new evidence, the original juror's decision was correct, since it was based on evidence at that time.

Only things that actually exist have evidence, so if a person claims anything exists then I expect them to have evidence to support their claim.
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Old 02-26-2008, 06:53 AM   #42
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I disagree. If Pat Robertson predicted when and where some natural disasters would occur, and they occurred, it is reasonable to assume that some people would become Christians as a result. Historically, many people have accepted all kinds of outlandish religions based upon much less convincing evidence than that. In addition, Nostradamus and Edgar Cayce attracted many followers based upon much less convincing evidence than that.

No reasonable motives regarding why the God of the Bible always makes disputable prophecies, thereby needlessly encouraging dissent instead of discouraging dissent = no God of the Bible.
Perhaps there would be a congressional investigation into how or why Pat Robertson instigated the disaster. Well, we might hope!

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So, when it comes to evidence for ANYTHING related to the christian religion, the burden of proof HAS to rest squarely with those who posit the religion and it's content and not on anyone else.
Isn't this a very easy demand for an atheist to make? But is it one that will commend atheism to anyone else?

In most things in life, it is the responsibility of all sides to arrive at the facts, not for one side to try to get the other to run around while they throw things at them.

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Sorry people I was talking about who has the burdon of proof on a whole theist or atheist.
Arnaldo if it is Christians responsibility to show that God exists then you can't use prophecie if you can't prove it was written before the event.
It would be like saying I can prove I,m psychic by telling you I thought something would happen after the event.
Look at the propecies concerning Israel, those are clearly written before the events which is why critics cannot dispute it with questionable history. Look at Tyre the mainland city is gone, and Tyre is largely a place for fishing. Jesus predicted that the temple would be destroyed again, Daniel predicted that the temple would be destroyed again, and that Rome the 4th empire would be the last world empire. Revelations foretells a Global Government, all the prophets has said that Jerusalem and the land of Israel would be the center of the world's attention.....so much evidence....so much proof.
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So, when it comes to evidence for ANYTHING related to the christian religion, the burden of proof HAS to rest squarely with those who posit the religion and it's content and not on anyone else.
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Isn't this a very easy demand for an atheist to make? But is it one that will commend atheism to anyone else?

In most things in life, it is the responsibility of all sides to arrive at the facts, not for one side to try to get the other to run around while they throw things at them.

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It is the christians who gave the gods their names and their characteristics. The christians are the ones who told us where these gods live, and how to get in contact with them. The christians must, I repeat must, prove or show that these gods are real.

The christians' failure to provide evidence or proof for their own gods will lead to ultimate rejection of them as fiction. They have no other choice but to deliver.

Galileo claimed the earth was round and travelled around the sun, he provided the evidence to support his claim.

What do christians expect? The burden of proof is theirs and theirs alone.
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Look at the propecies concerning Israel, those are clearly written before the events
It doesn't matter when they were written, if they can be interpreted nine different ways from Sunday.
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Skeppies would accept evidence if theist could back up their claims. And most can't and they cant recognize their weakness.
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no i am no where near a body of water.
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Sorry people I was talking about who has the burdon of proof on a whole theist or atheist.
Arnaldo if it is Christians responsibility to show that God exists then you can't use prophecie if you can't prove it was written before the event.
It would be like saying I can prove I,m psychic by telling you I thought something would happen after the event.
Look at the propecies concerning Israel, those are clearly written before the events which is why critics cannot dispute it with questionable history. Look at Tyre the mainland city is gone, and Tyre is largely a place for fishing. Jesus predicted that the temple would be destroyed again, Daniel predicted that the temple would be destroyed again, and that Rome the 4th empire would be the last world empire. Revelations foretells a Global Government, all the prophets has said that Jerusalem and the land of Israel would be the center of the world's attention.....so much evidence....so much proof.
and that the temple would be rebuilt on the temple mount so the jews could once again sacrifice to Yahweh. You continually forget that littel part of your fantasy.
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If there was overwelming evidence they might.
Say we had loads of different testimonies of the resurrection.
We testimonies of people who had actually seen him rise from the dead.
Say we had loads of different testimonies of people who had seen Jesus taken up to Heaven.
Then skeptics might believe' but it would take alot of evidence.
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