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Godless Wonder · 11-27-2006, 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by blastula

"Asshole" is a bit harsh. He was only human and probably no worse than the average.

But this line always did puzzle me. He's not setting a good example there.

Oh please. Jesus is an asshole through and through. This was my main impression of him upon reading the Gospels, contrary to my expectations established by his prior reputation. I mean, as depicted by the Bible, Jesus is a MAJOR ASSHOLE. Assholishness is pretty much his primary attribute. As depicted by his followers (most of whom have apparently not actually read the Bible), not so much.

Two examples: The fig tree. The woman he called a dog.

steamer · 11-27-2006, 10:30 PM

Christians are a funny lot. You guys call Jesus an asshole and basically prove it and not a peep from Christians. I ask whether any of them ever had erotic fantasies featuring Jesus and they scream bloody murder. At worst, mine was a compliment implying that Jesus was usually portrayed as good-looking.

blastula · 11-28-2006, 01:08 AM

Well see I don't believe he had any magic powers, so if there were a real Jesus, I think the fig and dog stories are fake, and all the other miracle stories and "I am God" stories are fake. Even as fiction though, he's not such a bad guy. Healing and raising people from the dead makes up for a lot of assholery. If he can cure my shingles, he can call me a dog anytime.

The main thing I don't like about the Jesus portrayals is all that egomaniac "I am the way" stuff in John. Yet, if he really were the God, he probably should be allowed to have a mammoth ego.

Anyway, I can't judge him so strictly. I can be a dick myself at times.

Xrikcus · 11-28-2006, 02:00 AM

It gets better really...

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26:12 For in that she hath poured this ointment on my body, she did it for my burial.
26:13 Verily I say unto you, Wheresoever this gospel shall be preached in the whole world, there shall also this, that this woman hath done, be told for a memorial of her.
26:14 Then one of the twelve, called Judas Iscariot, went unto the chief priests,
26:15 And said unto them, What will ye give me, and I will deliver him unto you? And they covenanted with him for thirty pieces of silver.

As I read that, Judas went to the priests to get rid of Jesus because he'd realised that actually, he was an arsehole. Clearly he had a point

ChristMyth · 11-28-2006, 02:13 AM

Mel Gibson's Passion of the Christ would have been a better movie if it had included that bit of dialog:

Priest: So,ahhh, how much for you to give up Jesus?
Judas: Thirty pieces of silver.
Priest: Thirty? Rather cheap don't you think.
Judas: Maybe, but the guy is an asshole. I didn't think you go higher than
that.

Christmyth

wordy · 11-28-2006, 02:14 AM

The text is there to fulfill the prophesies.

He would be annointed as King.

Judas did his part to fulfill the prophesis too. So they are all part of the game. Like puppets in god's hand. Not a god well made, a cruel god. We are in true image of god, behaving like he inspire us. Killing the enemies and such stuff.

They have a biggest sin in the bible. To make a sin against the spirit or how they word it. Could it be that the biggest sin is to admit they made it all up. The biggest sin is to be aware of that we made god in our image?

douglas · 11-28-2006, 08:37 AM

I've always found this story a curious example of Jesus' "humble compassion"...

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Mark 1
29And immediately he[e] left the synagogue and entered the house of Simon and Andrew, with James and John. 30Now Simon's mother-in-law lay ill with a fever, and immediately they told him about her. 31And he came and took her by the hand and lifted her up, and the fever left her, and she began to serve them.

Jesus: "Begone evil spirit! You're healed! Now get up and make us a ham and cheese sandwich, woman."

No Robots · 11-28-2006, 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by douglas

I've always found this story a curious example of Jesus' "humble compassion"...

Jesus: "Begone evil spirit! You're healed! Now get up and make us a ham and cheese sandwich, woman."

Peter: "Um, hold the ham for mine, please."

WishboneDawn · 11-28-2006, 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by steamer

Christians are a funny lot. You guys call Jesus an asshole and basically prove it and not a peep from Christians. I ask whether any of them ever had erotic fantasies featuring Jesus and they scream bloody murder. At worst, mine was a compliment implying that Jesus was usually portrayed as good-looking.

You'll find a few atheists found your thread rather tastless too. And I know of one christian who didn't scream bloody murder...

As for proving Jesus was an asshole...I guess if you accept the kind of scripture quoting that flies in conservative christian circles then yes, it's proven. If not then a couple of cherry picked and undiscussed stories may not really do it for a person. A person may take a look at some of the other stories and and the context of the stories and decide differently.

As for why christians are ignoring this thread, read the above paragraph again. If this were a serious contention I trust the people here enough to have bothered to make a solid case. Dosn't seem worth a fight.

Of course, if the discussion were, "Paul is an asshole," I'd join right in and agree!

ksen · 11-28-2006, 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by steamer

Christians are a funny lot. You guys call Jesus an asshole and basically prove it and not a peep from Christians.

I didn't feel it was appropriate for me to try and interrupt the two-minute hate.

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11-27-2006, 10:30 PM	#12
steamer Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: CA Posts: 7,653	Christians are a funny lot. You guys call Jesus an asshole and basically prove it and not a peep from Christians. I ask whether any of them ever had erotic fantasies featuring Jesus and they scream bloody murder. At worst, mine was a compliment implying that Jesus was usually portrayed as good-looking.

11-28-2006, 01:08 AM	#13
blastula Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: USA Posts: 6,070	Well see I don't believe he had any magic powers, so if there were a real Jesus, I think the fig and dog stories are fake, and all the other miracle stories and "I am God" stories are fake. Even as fiction though, he's not such a bad guy. Healing and raising people from the dead makes up for a lot of assholery. If he can cure my shingles, he can call me a dog anytime. The main thing I don't like about the Jesus portrayals is all that egomaniac "I am the way" stuff in John. Yet, if he really were the God, he probably should be allowed to have a mammoth ego. Anyway, I can't judge him so strictly. I can be a dick myself at times.

11-28-2006, 02:13 AM	#15
ChristMyth Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: US Posts: 1,055	Mel Gibson's Passion of the Christ would have been a better movie if it had included that bit of dialog: Priest: So,ahhh, how much for you to give up Jesus? Judas: Thirty pieces of silver. Priest: Thirty? Rather cheap don't you think. Judas: Maybe, but the guy is an asshole. I didn't think you go higher than that. Christmyth

11-28-2006, 02:14 AM	#16
wordy Contributor Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Sweden, Europe Posts: 12,091	The text is there to fulfill the prophesies. He would be annointed as King. Judas did his part to fulfill the prophesis too. So they are all part of the game. Like puppets in god's hand. Not a god well made, a cruel god. We are in true image of god, behaving like he inspire us. Killing the enemies and such stuff. They have a biggest sin in the bible. To make a sin against the spirit or how they word it. Could it be that the biggest sin is to admit they made it all up. The biggest sin is to be aware of that we made god in our image?

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