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burning flames · 06-16-2007, 06:24 PM

well he doubted the accurateness of the moses story, he thinks moses himself might be inspired by king ahmose, who lead egyptians to the new kingdom golden age, he was the one who managed to rally together the cause to push the hykksos out of egypt after the egyptians were "enslaved under the hykksos"

he says there is no record of ramses first born son dying, infact the onlyl one that died at a young afe was his fourth son, there is no record of jews being in egypt, etc

adam and eve, he showed a temple wall story about a goddess offering a fruit of enlightenment to a man. he said this is what inspired the adam and eve story, but adam and eve writers would never venerate a female diety. and they twisted up the story making it an explanation for gods wrath at us. he also thinks that it is mysogonistic that eve is cursed to remember her sin by going through menstrual cycles...

there is more, ill have to refresh my memory.

those were some of the strongest points of the video

judge · 06-17-2007, 04:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Toto

youtube African Origin of Judaism - pretty bizarro anti_semitic stuff.

Hmm I watched that.
Does the talmud really condone sexual intercourse between grown men and tiny children well before the age where they might possibly give consent?

The comments section in the video link gives this for example.

Sanhedrin 54b. A Jew may have sex with a child as long as the child is less than nine years old

The video also mentions condoning sex with children under three years old.

Is that really correct?

Toto · 06-17-2007, 03:18 PM

This is a common anti-Semitic slur. example with discussion

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The subject of discussion is the marital property rights of virgins vs. nonvirgins. Virgins have greater entitlements. The rabbis discussed the hypothetical case of a girl raped at an age less than three years old - for the purposes of her rights at marriage, is she considered a virgin or a nonvirgin? The answer is that she is considered a virgin. The quotation is out of context - _for the purposes of determining her rights,_ if a girl less than three has sex with a man, it is nothing. The phrase "it is nothing" is a common Talmudic idiom meaning "it has no bearing on the matter under discussion" (in this case, her property rights at marriage). It does NOT mean "it is perfectly acceptable."

burning flames · 06-17-2007, 05:36 PM

I wish someone would make a movie or book like this that was well done and credible

Chris Weimer · 06-17-2007, 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by burning flames

I wish someone would make a movie or book like this that was well done and credible

The material isn't at all credible to begin with - making a movie won't give it credibility.

Toto · 06-17-2007, 06:24 PM

Do you mean that you want a book on Egyptology or the relationship between Egypt and the Hebrew Scriptures that is credible?

burning flames · 06-17-2007, 06:29 PM

yes, and the relationship between the scriptures and the actual conquest of canaan. I put - the bible unearthed on my wish list

Minimalist · 06-17-2007, 06:29 PM

Archaeologist, William Dever, supporting Finkelstein. No evidence of a "Conquest".

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/m...34/ai_n6147831

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The chapter on the Exodus notes that, despite the efforts of conservative scholars, archaeological support for the biblical account is severely lacking. Concerning the wilderness wanderings of the Israelites according to the book of Numbers, Dever concludes that "the silence of the archaeological record is deafening" (p. 32). He says the same of the conquest narrative of Canaan found in Joshua: modern excavations of the sites of Joshua's conquests do not support the Biblical account--see the useful table on pp. 56-57. In fact, as Dever notes (p. 74), most scholars now accept the fact that the Israelites were an indigenous group, from the Canaanite population.

Chris Weimer · 06-17-2007, 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by burning flames

yes, and the relationship between the scriptures and the actual conquest of canaan. I put - the bible unearthed on my wish list

You didn't answer his question.

burning flames · 06-17-2007, 06:56 PM

sorry, yes to the relationship. I have some on egyptology.

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06-16-2007, 06:24 PM	#11
burning flames Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: florida Posts: 887	well he doubted the accurateness of the moses story, he thinks moses himself might be inspired by king ahmose, who lead egyptians to the new kingdom golden age, he was the one who managed to rally together the cause to push the hykksos out of egypt after the egyptians were "enslaved under the hykksos" he says there is no record of ramses first born son dying, infact the onlyl one that died at a young afe was his fourth son, there is no record of jews being in egypt, etc adam and eve, he showed a temple wall story about a goddess offering a fruit of enlightenment to a man. he said this is what inspired the adam and eve story, but adam and eve writers would never venerate a female diety. and they twisted up the story making it an explanation for gods wrath at us. he also thinks that it is mysogonistic that eve is cursed to remember her sin by going through menstrual cycles... there is more, ill have to refresh my memory. those were some of the strongest points of the video

06-17-2007, 05:36 PM	#14
burning flames Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: florida Posts: 887	I wish someone would make a movie or book like this that was well done and credible

06-17-2007, 06:24 PM	#16
Toto Contributor Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Los Angeles area Posts: 40,549	Do you mean that you want a book on Egyptology or the relationship between Egypt and the Hebrew Scriptures that is credible?

06-17-2007, 06:29 PM	#17
burning flames Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: florida Posts: 887	yes, and the relationship between the scriptures and the actual conquest of canaan. I put - the bible unearthed on my wish list

06-17-2007, 06:56 PM	#20
burning flames Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: florida Posts: 887	sorry, yes to the relationship. I have some on egyptology.

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