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Old 09-14-2011, 06:48 PM   #1
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A comment on evangelical scholarship:

The Licona Controversy

Mike Licona is a young apologist who has written a book supporting the historicity of the Resurrection.

Albert Mohler writes:
In making his case, Licona demonstrates his knowledge of modern historiography, the philosophy of history, and the work of work of modern historians. He confronts head-on the arguments against the historicity of the resurrection put forth by scholars ranging from Bart Ehrman and Gerd Ludemann to John Dominic Crossan.

.... Crossan, a veteran of the infamous “Jesus Seminar” that sought to remove all supernatural elements from the New Testament, asserts that the body of Jesus remained in the tomb, where it decomposed and was eventually consumed by scavengers.

Licona offers a powerful rebuttal to Crossan, demonstrating, first of all, that Crossan operates out of a worldview that simply denies that a resurrection can happen. Licona takes Crossan’s arguments and, one by one, he answers them convincingly. Along the way, he documents Crossan’s own anti-supernatural ideological commitments and his use of psychohistory to explain the experience of the disciples.

But, even as Licona dissects arguments against the resurrection of Jesus as a historical fact, he then makes a shocking and disastrous argument of his own. Writing about Matthew 27:51-54, Licona suggests that he finds material that is not to be understood as historical fact.
Licona wrote that the resurrection of the Saints might well be poetic language or legend. But this is not good enough for Biblical inerrancy.
He even seems to catch himself at this point, conceding that, if the raising of these saints, along with Matthew’s other reported phenomena, are poetic devices, “we may rightly ask whether Jesus’ resurrection is not more of the same.”

This is exactly the right question, and Licona’s proposed answers to his own question are disappointing in the extreme. In his treatment of this passage, Licona has handed the enemies of the resurrection of Jesus Christ a powerful weapon - the concession that some of the material reported by Matthew in the very chapter in which he reports the resurrection of Christ simply did not happen, and should be understood as merely “poetic device” and “special effects.”
Moehler goes on to point out that in 1963 Robert Gundry was previously expelled from the Evangelical Theological Society for suggesting that Matthew might contain symbolic language.
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Evangelical Christianity has got itself into an all-or-nothing bind. If the resurrection has a purpose then Genesis has to be literally true* and if that is the case then other incredible bits like the book of Revelation and Matthew 27 should also be taken literally.

[*off topic, but interesting that Jews can make a persuasive case for reading Genesis literally but not finding any trace of original sin.]
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He even seems to catch himself at this point, conceding that, if the raising of these saints, along with Matthew’s other reported phenomena, are poetic devices, “we may rightly ask whether Jesus’ resurrection is not more of the same.”

This is exactly the right question, and Licona’s proposed answers to his own question are disappointing in the extreme. In his treatment of this passage, Licona has handed the enemies of the resurrection of Jesus Christ a powerful weapon - the concession that some of the material reported by Matthew in the very chapter in which he reports the resurrection of Christ simply did not happen, and should be understood as merely “poetic device” and “special effects.”
Strange that Mohler appeals to the Chicago Statement on Biblical Inerrancy a couple of times in order to criticize Licona's suggestion that the Matthew passage was poetry. The Statement includes the following:
So history must be treated as history, poetry as poetry, hyperbole and metaphor as hyperbole and metaphor, generalization and approximation as what they are, and so forth. Differences between literary conventions in Bible times and in ours must also be observed: Since, for instance, nonchronological narration and imprecise citation were conventional and acceptable and violated no expectations in those days, we must not regard these things as faults when we find them in Bible writers. When total precision of a particular kind was not expected nor aimed at, it is no error not to have achieved it.
So for Mohler it isn't about trying to understand the Bible on its own terms, but rather to decide the genre based on his own ideology. It would be interesting to see if Mohler disagrees that the Statement can't incorporate Licona's suggestion.
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The Statement includes the following:
... When total precision of a particular kind was not expected nor aimed at, it is no error not to have achieved it.
An interesting idea.

If people of 2000 years ago expected the moon to be made of cheese, you can't say they were in error for claiming there existed dairy-based celestial bodies.
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But he's got a point - if the Zombie saints are just poetic, maybe Jesus' resurrection is just poetic. Heck, maybe Jesus himself is just poetry. And then you've slid down the slippery slope, and you might end up as a Unitarian. The Horror! Don't take that first step!
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But he's got a point - if the Zombie saints are just poetic, maybe Jesus' resurrection is just poetic. Heck, maybe Jesus himself is just poetry. And then you've slid down the slippery slope, and you might end up as a Unitarian. The Horror! Don't take that first step!
Actually you might end up at the beginning, where you should've started in the first place...
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But he's got a point - if the Zombie saints are just poetic, maybe Jesus' resurrection is just poetic. Heck, maybe Jesus himself is just poetry. And then you've slid down the slippery slope, and you might end up as a Unitarian. The Horror! Don't take that first step!
That's right, and that is what is driving Mohler here.
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Licona wrote that the resurrection of the Saints might well be poetic language or legend.
The Force is strong in him.
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Licona wrote that the resurrection of the Saints might well be poetic language or legend.
The Force is strong in him.
Did Licona actually conclude that it is probably a legend?

There is a big difference between saying that the author didn't intend the readers to take this as an actual event, and saying that the author did, but that it didn't actually happen.

And I can't see why Licona would conclude that this is more of "special effect" than any of the other stuff the author of Mt tells us about.
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Moehler goes on to point out that in 1963 Robert Gundry was previously expelled from the Evangelical Theological Society for suggesting that Matthew might contain symbolic language.
1983 not 1963 see Robert_H._Gundry

Many conservative evangelicals think Gundry was badly treated.

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