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Old 08-02-2006, 12:10 AM   #1
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In Mark 15:43-45, Joseph of Arimathea asks Pilate for Jesus' body, and Pilate is unaware of whether he is dead; only after sending a centurion and receiving this confirmation does he allow Joseph to take the body. However in John 19:31-33,38, Pilate actually authorises the leg-breaking to ensure they have all died and then authorises Joseph to remove the body. NB. Mark 15:42 states it was evening, ie. the sabbath had already begun (beginning at sundown) when Joseph asks for the body. However, burial was not allowed on the sabbath, showing the fictitiousness of the story.
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The Hebrew makes it very clear that Jesus was buried on the day before the Sabbath.

Luke 23:50-56 (New American Standard Bible)
"And a man named Joseph, who was a member of the Council, a good and righteous man (he had not consented to their plan and action), a man from Arimathea, a city of the Jews, who was waiting for the kingdom of God; this man went to Pilate and asked for the body of Jesus. And he took it down and wrapped it in a linen cloth, and laid Him in a tomb cut into the rock, where no one had ever lain. It was the preparation day, and the Sabbath was about to begin.Now the women who had come with Him out of Galilee followed, and saw the tomb and how His body was laid. Then they returned and prepared spices and perfumes And on the Sabbath they rested according to the commandment."
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The Hebrew makes it very clear that Jesus was buried on the day before the Sabbath.
...What "Hebrew"? None of the canonical gospels was written in Hebrew.
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One_Of_Logic was referring to Mark's version of the story, not Luke's.
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...What "Hebrew"? None of the canonical gospels was written in Hebrew.
Sorry...I've been reading mostly the Old Testament and wrote Hebrew out of habit. I really mean the Greek.

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One_Of_Logic was referring to Mark's version of the story, not Luke's.
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42It was Preparation Day (that is, the day before the Sabbath). So as evening approached, 43Joseph of Arimathea, a prominent member of the Council, who was himself waiting for the kingdom of God, went boldly to Pilate and asked for Jesus' body. 44Pilate was surprised to hear that he was already dead. Summoning the centurion, he asked him if Jesus had already died. 45When he learned from the centurion that it was so, he gave the body to Joseph. 46So Joseph bought some linen cloth, took down the body, wrapped it in the linen, and placed it in a tomb cut out of rock. Then he rolled a stone against the entrance of the tomb. 47Mary Magdalene and Mary the mother of Joses saw where he was laid.


This passage mentions nothing that would imply that Jesus was buried on the Sabbath.
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42It was Preparation Day (that is, the day before the Sabbath). So as evening approached, 43Joseph of Arimathea, a prominent member of the Council, who was himself waiting for the kingdom of God, went boldly to Pilate and asked for Jesus' body. 44Pilate was surprised to hear that he was already dead. Summoning the centurion, he asked him if Jesus had already died. 45When he learned from the centurion that it was so, he gave the body to Joseph. 46So Joseph bought some linen cloth, took down the body, wrapped it in the linen, and placed it in a tomb cut out of rock. Then he rolled a stone against the entrance of the tomb. 47Mary Magdalene and Mary the mother of Joses saw where he was laid.


This passage mentions nothing that would imply that Jesus was buried on the Sabbath.
And... John 19:42 "So, there they laid Jesus, because of the Jew's Preparation Day, for the tomb was nearby."

And... Matt 27:62, following the burial story, "On the next day, which followed the Day of Preparation, the chief priests and Pharisees gathered together to Pilate. Saying, 'Sir, we remmember,... how that deceiver said, 'After 3 days I will rise.'"

Look at that, four way agreement. Those crazy gospels. Oh what will they agree on next?
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