Steven Carr

Why did Jesus institute a ceremony so that people could be reminded of him, when he was back 4 days later?

Why did he not do this before the ascension, not the crucifixion? That would be a farewell.

The other was just an adieu.

In 1 Corinthians 11, Paul says 'For whenever you eat this bread and drink this cup, you proclaim the Lord's death until he comes. '

Surely Paul had no idea that Jesus returned just days after telling people to proclaim his death until he returned.

And then the Gospellers (not all of them!) harmonised this Christian ceremony by putting it just before Jesus death, although that was a Last Supper in name only.


For Paul, surely the bread and wine were Jesus's body, because there had been no other body.

It made no sense for an historical Jesus to tell people that something else was his body and that something else was his blood.

Jews do not eat human flesh, nor drink blood. And the body of Jesus was allegedly returning just days later. So why did the disciples need to eat the body of Jesus when he was standing there in front of them?


But if there was no other body, then some sort of representation had to be found, so it made perfect sense for Paul to have a metaphorical representation of the body.

And there is nothing much else for a mythical founder of a religion to do other than found the ritual that the cult uses to get the prescence of the mythical founder.

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But, the writer Paul himself never claimed to have founded a religion based on a mythical figure.

The writer admitted there were churches that were already in Judaea where the converts could not even recognise him.

The writer claimed it was said that he persecuted the faith he now preaches.

No doctrine of Paul was regarded as heresy by any church writer.

The church writers called Marcion, Valentinus, Cerinthus, Carpocrates, the Ebionites, Menander and many others heretics, there is no reason why they would not have called Paul a heretic if he was propagating a mythical Jesus Christ.

The letters with the name Paul were all written long after the Jesus stories, the memoirs of the apostles or the Gospels, were believed to be true and then backdated the letters to make them appear to be from the first century.

Huon

What are the hebrew, or aramaïc, words for farewell, au revoir, adieu ?
IIUC, farewell means "have a good trip", fare well.
Au revoir means "see you later" in french (voir : to see, revoir : to see again).
Adieu is "A Dieu", I entrust you to God.
In gascon, it is even clearer : A Diu siats : be to God !

semiopen

Shalom (peace) is used for hello and goodbye.

Lehitraot means "see you later" but this is maybe more of a modern Hebrew term. Israeli's will sometimes shorten this to Lehit... I learned that 40 years ago so I'm not sure how cool that would sound now.

Clivedurdle

Umm isn't the NT in Greek?

Lilyofthevalley

Didn't the Ebionites call Paul 'the man of the lie'?