Chili

Yes you do, the Joseph line had to be crucified to set Mary's line free. Mary was bethrothed 'as' the dowry of the firstborn here born to collect his worth. Notice that she becomes the bride of the lamb 'in' the New Jerusalem 'as' the woman who was behind it all.

Johnny Skeptic

No I don't. If Jesus was conceived by the Holy Spirit, he couldn't possibly have had a genealogy. In addition, we don't know what Mary's and Joseph's genealogies were, in fact, not even back several hundred years. Records might have been changed, or lost and made up.

Crucified? Where do you get crucified from? As far as I know, crucifixion is never mentioned in the Old Testament, and even it is mentioned, it is never mentioned in connection with the Son of God.

Please quote the scriptures that you are referring to, and please tell us why you are stating arguments that you do not hold to be true. The first commandment in the Ten Commandants says "thou shalt have no other Gods before me." The commandment mentions a specific God, and God is identified elsewhere by a specific name. Do you worship that specific God? Do you regularly attend a Christian Church. If so, which denomination? Do you believe that Jesus bodily rose from the dead and was seen by over 500 people? Do you frequently encourage people to become Christians and reject other religions? Do you have any idea what happens to people after they die?

Chili

Jesus was not conceived if Christ was born unto Joseph and Mary was from the tree of Life in the mind of Joseph who was send into the conscious mind to give birth to the child within. We call it rebirth of the first-begotten son of man etc. They shall call him Jesus makes reference to the dual nature of Joseph. Period. It was a long standing practice in Jewish tradition and that is very obvious. The son of God never gets crucified but the Jew does. Bar-abbas was set free and Jesus the Jew was convicted under Jewish law and Jewish law only.I have no Gods before me, behind me, or beside me. I just read without any prior conviction and let the words speak to me.

Johnny Skeptic

In other words, you make posts only to address what people believe, not to address whether or not God's only begotten Son actually bodily rose from the dead, right? Regarding "I just read without any prior conviction and let the words speak to me," what are you hoping that the words will reveal to you about the mysteries of the universe? How much interest do you have in religious books other than the Bible? I find it interesting that you said without any "prior" conviction. What is your "subsequent" conviction?

Johnny Skeptic

That's news to anyone? I don't think so.

Don't you mean in the mind of the Bible writer who wrote about it?

The writer's conscious mind, right?

To give birth to what child within? Were you there? Did you examine Mary's womb and find out how Jesus was conceived?

You mean rebirth in human mythology, not what actually happened, right?

More human mythology, right?

Chili

There is a reason for calling him Jesus if Christ was born and this is especially true since the circumstances were different. Do you think maybe that they should have called him Christ to make it easier to understand?Yes, these are first hand accounts of an archetypal event that was prior to the author by nature. Right.That is what rebirth is all about. The first-born is reborn to re-unite with the woman that was taken from man when man became an earthly hu-man being. The woman did not become earthly, wherefore it is said that Mary was without sin, and therefore was the Immaculate conception of things as they are = insight without perversion and therefore no guile in Nathanael. She was his dowry and therefore Joseph's in betrothal = eternally his to be his eternal presence.Human mythology is an awkward expression because humans are not smart enough to write a mythology or they would know what actually happened.Let's call it inspired to you.

Johnny Skeptic

[quote=JohnnySkeptic] You mean rebirth in human mythology, not what actually happened, right?]

What actually happened?

Chili

[QUOTE=Johnny Skeptic]Mythologies are written by mythmakers and they have noetic vision. Below them are mystics with lyric vision, believers with telec vision and doubters with hyletic vision.

What happened, to make a long story short, was that Joseph had a change of vision.

Evoken

If not human, what are the mythmakers then?


Valz

Chili

Divine without the human condition. The hu- is the addition to show the human condition that must be crucified to be divine.

The writers are not inspired because to be inspired one must be human to be other than what you normally are. That is why they were divine and normal in their noetic mind, which is the mind of Christ as Lord God and God. To us as humans their writings are inspired for as long as we are human. This same is true with the trinity that does not really exists except in our human condition which is why we cannot grasp it either.