Chili

Water implies 'knoweldge' set aside in Genesis 1 to make dry land for humans to walk on outside of Eden, and here now 'running water' speaks on this Truth-to-walk-on in heaven on earth where the Celestial sea is no longer (Rev.21:1), and this is where 'John comes full circle' in his Gospel and so validates 'running water' as the proven infallible water to be used for Baptism that has a Catholic label on it, don't you see? . . . simply because it is alive in us as Truth that will 'run up hill' if it has to, dragging us all hook, line and sinker to Rome if we ever as much as latch on to any of it.

For the Jews water was only effective to wash their dirty clothes as for them there was no celestial sea to get holy water from, lol, thanks to Moses, of course, who 'parted the sea' instead of walking on this water to get into the promised land, and of course 'righteousness' will reject this water as holy that John preambled in John 5:39-40, which is a passage that still is always neglected today by the same, and so Christian bookstores will still be called "Mana" as if it is genuine to them. The error here is that one cannot be both Jew and Christian simply because you cannot wait for both the first coming of the messiah as Jew and for the second coming as Christian [imposter] on the other, . . . and therefore in the New Covenant you must be either Jew or Catholic to walk side-by-side and become Christian as chosen with the only difference that water here for Catholics represents [iconic] Truth made manifest on earth by 'this Jesus' who saw Nathan as the first fruit of Judaism [without guile] among men of good faith.Sure, but really all he is saying that we 'multiply in kind' because "essence precedes existence", so that only figs are found under fig trees, maters under Alma Mater, virgins under the Virgin of Virgins, son of man under Man to make Man known and so then ousia's under Parousia as the source if insight wherein the 'image' has substance in "Imago" that renders the word 'fiction' absurd.
Very true as he was the Final Cause, and note please his use "Lamb of God" to identify religion as the absent 'efficient cause' in Mark to be replaced by the elaboration in Luke here made manifest in John.

//Water speaks in evidence of Christ among us now iconic in communion also with saint in heaven henceforth and therefore Christen-domain, which Jews never had except now by its surrogate partial called Israel with limiting borders of its own and so doomed to be cursed and destined to die in the end.

sotto voce

Another fundie.

Chili

The sins of the world only exist in the mind of humans as each have their own created world, and humanity is the sum total of this perception and so to die to all of humanity is to die to your own perception.

The Gospels are timeless but linear in the exposure of the Jewish error that was removed in Mark to be replaced by the insigth of Luke that is made manifest in John and so is the fundamental basis for the NT.

Sin is an illusion and belongs to the dark that does not exist in the light itself for life is light and knows no darkness until the TOK was formed to know the difference between good and bad which had nothing to do with evil or sin that was attached later by religion to identify the forbidden fruit as bait to lead us astray. Romans 7 is excellent here especially verses 8-10 but likely to direct to be taken to heart:

(8) "Sin seized that opportunity; it used the commandment to rouse in me every kind of evil desire. Without law sin is dead (9) and at first I lived without law. Then the commandments came; with it sin came to life (10) and I died.

Chili

Neet that must he direct from the protestant library itself, and I can jsut see them standing in line to be heard by the Insquisitor to see which reward they will get.

Iskander

It belong to the past, people like you won’t allow that to happen again

Chili

Of course it is tragic that even as much as one died that way, and we have Saints in heaven that were converted on the treshold of death by way of illumination who, interestingly, were [all] females who did make the connection as they were never 'banned from Eden' and so could make that connection.

aa5874

Your claims are unsubstantiated.

It is CLEARLY stated that the supposed mother of Jesus was FOUND with child of the Holy Ghost in gMatthew, and in gLuke he was the Holy thing of a Ghost.

In gJohn, Jesus was God, the Creator who existed Before anything was made and in gMark Jesus did things that NO human could have done.

In gMark, Jesus walked on sea-water and TRANSFIGURED.

It is USELESS to assume Jesus was human when arguing with people who DO NOT assume Jesus existed.

It is QUITE USELESS to PRESUME Jesus was human when arguing with people who NEED corroboration from credible non-apologetic sources for a human Jesus.

In gMark, John Baptisted a PHANTOM called Jesus. Without the Holy Ghost Bird Jesus would NOT have been able to carry out his Fictional Miracles.

gMark appears to be a MYTH Fable.

Chili

When push comes to shove Joseph was pregant with dispair and the child only makes reference to 'infancy' on the other side of life, which is on the seventh day in Gen.2 (NB) where essence finds existence and in real and for keeps. "Pregant with dispair is from James Joyce in Finnigan''s Wake and Golding said it was as easy "as eating and drinking" . . . but not if Herod gets a hold of it who is not even heard of in Luke and in John except in passing maybe as heard from the other side. Just a flamboyant presentation of MENO-pause is all it is.You got your words mixed up again since all that is made still today is created first in the mind of the artisan. Just causation and that requires the created image to be folllowed when it is made = no super in the natural.

. . . and Jesus was not human.

Horatio Parker

Well said. Not many comprehend the rather simple idea that metaphysics, cosmology etc not to mention science are methods of the mind looking out at the world. An inner structure that may or may not by accident or design resemble the "real" universe, whatever that is.

But I think the OP got it right; JtB is superfluous to the Gospels. He's there either as historical buttressing or as an inducement to his followers to join Jesus. Whether JtB needs Jesus is open to debate, but Jesus does not need JtB.

Chili

But this is metaphysics too as John is 'born' to the same mind of Joseph as Jesus was and is really the Alpha of Joseph made known in the conscious mind where Jesus is the reborn Joseph and supplied the Omega.

The significance of John is that tranquility prevailed in the mind of Joseph and that is signified by Advent prior to the darkest moment in life wherein Joseph is beyond theology and beyond the measure of time when rebirth takes place in his mind, and that has nothing to do with babies. Significant here is that a period of time must lapse so the NEW (New Year) can take hold as depicted by the journey of the Magi when illumination is confirmed. And so, this time was spend exploring his own soul and came up with his lineage by way of expression. And when the magi arrived he received the baptism of fire, I suppose, and the fruits of the spirit become evident and Jesus went to the temple and started sqaucking.

Interesting is that neither Matthew nor Mark showed evidence of a 'manger' that speaks on behalf of water in 'awakening' as that was set aside in the soul which here then becomes revealed while in 'incubation' at the stable. IOW they should have no knowledge of there even being a John whether he did the right thing or not as he just was not there. . . unless it happened in broad daylight at an evangelistic rally where expectations were high and so had one eye asquint towards 'being king herefater' like Macebth, and this would be a joyful John and kind of like Santa here in anticipation, which so is also a disgrace towards Christ-mass inside Christendom.

Bottom line, there was no Jesus and no John and no Mary and no Zacheriah or Elizabeth as they were all part of the efficient cause during metamorphosis, and so were real but not human, and that is very obvious if you read the thing from this perspective.

However, in symbolism John is very important as that paved the way for baptism now by example as thruth became manifest on earth in Rome and so Revelation therein real as a thing of the past.