BlakeEM

Just a few random thoughts... I figured I’d pick this apart because I found it pretty funny (and absurd) when you really think about it.

Genesis 3

http://bible.gospelcom.net/cgi-bin/b...on&showxref=on

Let us pick this apart.

Ok god tells them don’t eat the fruit or you will die. Pretty clear... We will ignore the fact that god appears to have put a tree with killer fruit there in the first place.

The serpent tells them they won’t die if they eat it.

As opposed to how we are at this point, not knowing the difference from good and evil. We will ignore that god made us not knowing the difference between right and wrong.

There eyes were opened, as opposed to be closed or blind. I never seen anything that is learned with your eyes closed. We will also ignore the fact that shame of ones body to cover it has nothing to do with right or wrong. People in tribes in Africa and Native American tribes have walked around naked and not thought anything of it.

We all know that god can’t simply find his creations in some bushes because that would be beyond his power. I guess god didn't have thermal imaging goggles back then.

Apparently god created us without the knowledge of what being naked is. Also why does god ask if he ate from the tree if he already knows it? God is all knowing so he shouldn’t have to ask.


God never took the serpents side of the story and chose to curse him anyway. Also god did nothing to stop this from happening because of course being all knowing he knew it was going to happen. Also note that the woman said the serpent beguiled her, but did he?

After this the lord punishes them and gives them some clothes and kicks them out of the garden.

Ok now let me summarize this.

God creates humans, they don’t know good from evil. He then puts a tree in the middle and tells them the fruit would kill them.
A serpent tells them the tree won’t kill them and they will know right from wrong if they eat from it.
They eat from the tree and they don’t die as god had told them, but they gained wisdom and knew the difference from good and evil as the serpent told them.
Being wise they lied to god and blamed it on the serpent and that he beguiled them. The truth is beguiling means to deceive or lie, the serpent never lied to them. God however did lie to them by saying the fruit would kill them, witch it obviously didn’t because we wouldn’t be all here.

After this god cursed the serpent and had to kick Adam and Eve out of his garden because the serpent ruined his fun.

My point, god never wanted us to know right from wrong. He wanted us to walk around naked and have no shame. The serpent is knowledge and wisdom. The serpent opened there eyes to the truth about the world and good and evil. God never wanted us to know these things.

The serpent is wise and gave us the ability to know good from evil. Without knowing good from evil you can have no morality, without the serpent we would have no morals at all. The bible teaches us to close our eyes to wisdom and don’t let the serpent open your eyes to what is right and wrong. It also tells us to walk around naked, because it’s the way god wanted us to be!

I don’t know about you, but if I believed in the bible I’d much rather follow the serpent that was good on his promise rather than god who deceived humanity and teaches you to keep your eyes closed to wisdom.

Aaron Thrash

Heh Heh, god is an evil, evil trickster is he not? Yep, gods a deceiver, and liar.
Oh well, next god please.

Oh, and you left out how god, in a murderous rage, found it necessary to drown EVERY living thing, without a law with which to measure themselves against. :angry:

-A

animus

Some problems with the Adam and Eve story:

1: God obviously didn't need the Tree of Knowledge himself, so the only purpose for it being there was to tempt Adam and Eve. This is a bit like laying a loaded .44 mag on your coffee table, just to see if your kids will cap each other with it.

2: God's omniscient, so why would he have to test them when he already should know they'll fail?

3: Trust is a very big part of love, yet God (who we are told is synonymous with love) obviously doesn't trust A & E, if he resorts to testing them. Think of how you'd feel if your spouse had someone flirt with you, just to see if you'd do it. Personally, I think I would lose all respect for them.

4: God tells them that, if they eat from the tree, they shall die. Obviously, they didn't die, but I've heard apologists claim that it refers to a later time. There's no indication in the story that they were immortal to begin with, for they had never eaten from the Tree of Life (or whatever it's called).

5: God promises death if they eat from the tree. But, instead, he tosses a whole mess of problems on their shoulders, like working and painful child birth.

6: Everyone from that day onward allegedly suffers the punishments thrown on A & E. Isn't this like making all of the decendants of a bank robber serve the same number of years in prison as he did?


On the plus side, the bible should at least clear up the whole problem of Intelligent Design. The biblical God certainly seems to be lacking in the "intelligence" department.