Pappy Jack

Your opinion and a bus ticket will get me into Toulouse, but take away the bus ticket and all I've got is your opinion. Where's the flicking evidence? You know evidence, that's the stuff that Mung has provided you with a whole swatch of that proves unequivocally that there is zero, nil, nada possibility of the Flud you postulate having occurred in the Nile Valley and Delta in the timescale you are suggesting.

mung bean

Well in that case you have changed your opinion since this was discussed on RDF a few months ago, because over there you were saying that all the impacts occurred during the first few days of the Flud.

Dave Hawkins

He has provided no such thing. What piece that he has provided convinces you of this?

And how is one to provide evidence that a meteor crater happened after the Flood? No one took videos. It's like a crime scene with no witnesses. We only have circumstantial evidence. We have to make reasonable inferences. And the available circumstantial evidence favors the Walt Brown view in my opinion. And no, I'm not going to explain the Walt Brown view in detail here now. You can read it for yourself if you like. You should. It's the best theory I know of for explaining the various phenomena.

Dave Hawkins

What did I say exactly? I do think many impacts occurred early, but I see no reason why some impacts could not have occurred later as well.

mung bean

No I am, or will be, throwing a lot more problems than that at you. We can start with those though.
The Aswan bedrock is not columnar basalt, so the mechanism cannot be the same as Palouse Canyon. This was also dealt with at RDF. Furthermore the Nile canyon does not have the braided channels formation diagnostic of catastrophic flows. So in this instance you cannot use the Palouse Canyon analogy.

As for the sediment, think before you post, please. It may save some time in the long run. You say the marine sediment was deposited during your Flud?
Well then that means the river canyon predates your Flud, doesn't it? Bloody thing must have been there to start with before the Flud could fill it with sediment. Bit hard to fill a non-existent canyon innit? So we're back to where did the canyon drain to. Hmmmmm. Let's see, a dried up Mediterranean Basin would do nicely.

mung bean

Ok, I'll accept that as your current position. The question of impact craters is a red herring for this thread anyway.

Edit: Here's Eric quoting one of your earlier posts. I agree it does not mention impact craters but it does indicate no volcanism before the end of your Flud, which would make a pre-existing river canyon in granite rather difficult.

Note also no geothermal heating before the end of your Flud, which definitely precludes volcanism. Also bear in mind that your position has always been that the pre-Flud biosphere was much more luxuriant than the current one and was like this all over the earth. That doesn't leave much room for erupting volcanoes, mate.

Pappy Jack

Yes, he has. Mung's evidence as it stands is convincing. Tie it to unequivocal proof of the existence of Predynastic Egyptian settlement above what you are claiming is in effect Flud deposition sediment and make sense of that in terms of your posited Flud-Babel Dispersion-founding of Dynastic Egypt chronology.
If the impact crater is a surface feature, for me that's pretty much prima facie evidence that, if you're arguing for a Flud, the impact took place after the Flud.
Poor analogy as there is far more than circumstantial evidence to establish conclusions we can draw from these particular 'crime scenes.'

deadman_932

BUT we have witnesses Dave. I gave you the first-hand testimony of radiometric witnesses that all independently give their description of the culprit and the time in which the crime occured...and it wasn't when YOU say it was, Dave.

The Barringer meteor crater in Arizona awaits, and the radiometric dates associated with it point the finger of guilt at YOUUUUUUUUU Dave, and they shout "J'ACCUSE!!!"

Bwahaha, I think Mung has made me mad, too. And by mad I mean nuts, and by that, I mean crazy in a good way...life is so much nicer now

deadman_932

The Barringer Meteor Crater in Arizona penetrates the Permian Kaibab and Toroweap Formations and has caused shock effects on the Coconino Sandstone. Because the crater penetrates Permian strata, it is Permian or younger. And since the crater contains some Pleistocene lake deposits, it is Pleistocene or older.

The Kaibab, Toroweap and Coconino are all part of the Grand Canyon and Grand Staircase stratigraphy, demonstrating the improbability of YEC claims and the Noachian formation of the GC stratigraphy.

Nishiizumi, K., Kohl, C.P., Shoemaker J.R., Arnold, J.R., Klein, J., Fink, D. and Middleton, R., 1991. In situ 10Be and 26Al exposure ages at Meteor Crater, Arizona. Geochimica et Cosmochimica Acta 55, pp. 2699-2703. Report a minimum age of 49.2±1.7ka

Phillips, F.M., Zreda, M.G., Smith, S.S., Elmore, D., Kubik, P.W., Dorn, R.I. and Roddy, D.J., 1991. Age and geomorphic history of Meteor Crater, Arizona, from cosmogenic Cl-36 and C-14 in rock varnish. Geochimica et Cosmochimica Acta 55, pp. 2695-2698. Report a 36Cl exposure age of 49±0.7ka for dolomite ejecta on the crater rim.

Both sets of dates are in turn statistically identical to quartz thermoluminescence dates of 49±3ka reported by:

Sutton, S.R., 1985. Thermoluminescence measurements on shock-metamorphosed sandstone and dolomite from Meteor Crater, Arizona. Journal of Geophysical Research 90(B5), pp. 3690-3700.

Pappy Jack

Are you talking about 'crater creep'? To me it seems to be based on the faulty supposition that conditions on the Moon = conditions on the Earth.