mrsonic

if the son and the father have the same will and both are co equal in trinity, why did the son ask his father to forgive them? was the sons forgiveness unmatched with the fathers?

what is the point of asking forgiveness for a people who were going to be doomed very soon?

is it not a fact that all early christian writing say that the reason why jerusalem was destroyed because jerusalem hung yhwh on a cross?


maybe luke put forgiveness statement in jesus' mouth because he wanted to tell gentiles how much jesus loves gentiles and hates jews?
how does "father forgive them..." mean that the father forgave them?

mrsonic

"i am innocent of this mans blood! you see to it!"

"his blood be upon us and our children"

according to matthew , the jews do know what they were doing.
so how can there be forgiveness for them?



so if this is the case then lukes portrayed jesus as pro roman?

Keith&Co.

They knew they were getting Jesus killed, but they knew not that he was reallio trullio the avatar of the god they already worshiped.

They were trying to preserve their religion, not realizing it was already past it's 'Best By' date.

Doug Shaver

You're trying to make sense of the Trinity. It can't be done except by those who actually believe in it.

Saramago

There; FIFY.

spin

Check Jesus's words in Mk 14:36,

He said, "Abba, Father, for you all things are possible; remove this cup from me; yet, not what I want, but what you want."

Obviously not the same will.

The trinity was grafted on to christianity over a few centuries arriving at the dispute between the Arians and the trinitarians that put the albatross around the neck.

stephan huller

The Christian Trinity probably developed from neo-Platonism and even shows up in early Sabbatian thought. Indeed all the Christian appeal to numerology (i.e. four gospels, the number eight, and thirty) is all rooted in the same sources probably by way of Philo directly or indirectly