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mrunicycler · 07-08-2005, 05:58 PM

Also, moose, we must be careful to not put into the bible things that it does not say. It does not say, "God created light and darkness and that those rotated by God's will to from[sic] night and day." It does say, (gen1:3), 'And god said, let there be light, and there was light. God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness...' It does not say that the light and darkness rotated according to god's will,we assume that in order to make the bible fit what we see as a logical order. The bible is not logical, and the men who wrote it saw no need to make it work logically, and even if they did see a need they didn't have the knowledge to make it so.

Thomas II · 07-08-2005, 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by moosemaster1341

I personally prefer to think that while the bible is the word of God, it was also written by man, and therefore not without error. Also, can you give me an exact reference as to where I can find that information in Genesis? If it's the King James version, don't even bother, cause I'll just shoot that one down. The King James was put into Modern English from the Older version, too many typos and errors (Look into Psalm 46). While I'm not a Christian I do reserve the right to say this if you smash my argument: It's freaking God, it doesn't need the sun and moon to make night and day. I was also under the impression that there was darkness until God did the whole "Let there Be Light" thing, and they might have been just talking about time instead of variations in lighting with night and day.

Moosemaster1341,
...hmmm...Come here for a moment...Have a seat...Think about it for just a moment...
"The word of God...written by man...with errors..."

Written by man,yes... But "the word of God",...nah...
I know it's hard to internalize THAT after all these years of endoctrination.
...God dictating a book...Think...Think!!!... :huh:
Sorry,but no...
Time to stop lying to ourselves...

"Ok,ok...Word of God, but with many errors...Deal: dictated by God but I concede "with errors" because of the stupid idiot who was taking dictation..."
Stupid idiot who was personally selected by God to take his dictation...

....Think!!...Really??? :huh:

Wallener · 07-09-2005, 12:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Magus55

The light was cast over half of the Earth leaving the other half dark.

Doesn't work. The texts specifically use "dawning" and "setting". As usual, reading allegory too literally leads to nothing but trouble...

moosemaster1341 · 07-09-2005, 10:52 AM

Thomas - That's pretty much an argument against a certain aspect of religion (claiming something that a faith holds as true, to be false). I make it a point not to really argue for or against religion. I'll argue on certain aspects of historical context or interpretation of religion, but not directly for or against religion. So yes, maybe the bible was the word of God, maybe it wasn't.

Thomas II · 07-09-2005, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by moosemaster1341

Thomas - That's pretty much an argument against a certain aspect of religion (claiming something that a faith holds as true, to be false). I make it a point not to really argue for or against religion. I'll argue on certain aspects of historical context or interpretation of religion, but not directly for or against religion. So yes, maybe the bible was the word of God, maybe it wasn't.

There is enormous implication if it isn't the word of god...

"This painting here was painted by Picasso..."
"Are you sure?"
"Well, no..."

"Ah...well."

moosemaster1341 · 07-09-2005, 01:35 PM

The church is no stranger to enormous implications that it can't back up.

Matt the Medic · 07-09-2005, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Magus55

Light existed before there was a sun. The light was cast over half of the Earth leaving the other half dark.

Wallener's point notwithstanding, where did the light come from and where did it go?

Light is a perfectly quantifiable 'thing' that had to radiate from something.

offa · 07-09-2005, 11:33 PM

the sun and moon and stars are humans (and so are the animals Adam named).

Gen 37:09 And he dreamed yet another dream, and told it his
brethren, and said, Behold, I have dreamed a dream more;
and, behold, the sun and the moon and the eleven stars
made obeisance to me.

offa

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07-08-2005, 05:58 PM	#11
mrunicycler Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Sounding trumpets outside the walls of Louisville Posts: 2,242	Also, moose, we must be careful to not put into the bible things that it does not say. It does not say, "God created light and darkness and that those rotated by God's will to from[sic] night and day." It does say, (gen1:3), 'And god said, let there be light, and there was light. God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness...' It does not say that the light and darkness rotated according to god's will,we assume that in order to make the bible fit what we see as a logical order. The bible is not logical, and the men who wrote it saw no need to make it work logically, and even if they did see a need they didn't have the knowledge to make it so.

07-09-2005, 10:52 AM	#14
moosemaster1341 Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Florida, the United States of America. Posts: 28	Thomas - That's pretty much an argument against a certain aspect of religion (claiming something that a faith holds as true, to be false). I make it a point not to really argue for or against religion. I'll argue on certain aspects of historical context or interpretation of religion, but not directly for or against religion. So yes, maybe the bible was the word of God, maybe it wasn't.

07-09-2005, 01:35 PM	#16
moosemaster1341 Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Florida, the United States of America. Posts: 28	The church is no stranger to enormous implications that it can't back up.

07-09-2005, 11:33 PM	#18
offa Regular Member Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Monroeville, Ohio, USA Posts: 440	the sun and moon and stars are humans (and so are the animals Adam named). Gen 37:09 And he dreamed yet another dream, and told it his brethren, and said, Behold, I have dreamed a dream more; and, behold, the sun and the moon and the eleven stars made obeisance to me. offa

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