Chili

No problem Matthew. Johnny Skeptic and I have been fighting here for God knows how long and we are still the best of friends. His problem is that he is no longer a Christian, which I never was, and now he thinks that the promised land does not exist. I am beginning to think that Johnny is not real or he would have found the promised land.

Johnny Skeptic

Do you or do you not believe that the Jewish God, the same God as the Christian God, promised Abraham and his descendants all of the land of Canaan at the expense of all other groups of people? Upon what evidence do you base your many assertions? Do you get them from books, inspiration, or from spiritual/emotional experiences? Your viewer profile says "Catholics are God's favorite people," but you said that you are not a Christian. Why do you admire Catholics and Jews at the expense of other groups of people. How much of the Bible do you take literally? Do you believe that Jesus was the one and only Son of God, that he performed miracles, and that he bodily rose from the dead?

What are you trying to convince people to believe? How many people do you personally know who share your beliefs? Actually, since your style of writing is so unclear and confusing, I doubt that anyone at this forum knows exactly what your beliefs are. I wonder if you even know what your beliefs are.

Chili

Different God, they had the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob while we have Jesus Christ.

No, not at the expense of other people. There is no land between these rivers as they run consecutive but the rivers are the dry land that we can stand on and go by wherever we are after we have sojourned the Pishon and Gihon in the lands of Havilah and Cush. To thinks otherwise will be at the expense of other people and that is not Gods way to the promised land.

This is not your tread to ask such question, Johnny, but yes, I read books and get some exposure to the bible here. I am not a trembler nor to I know mountain tops or valleys on the prairies where I live.

I admire the mythology and love the people for the fruits of the vine that they are. Their God is great and so is ours. The question becomes: where is yours? (impersonal) since the so called Christians have fallen from Gods favor as per Gal.5:4. Here it is for you convenience: "Any of you who seek your justification in the law have severed yourself from Christ and fallen from God's favor."

Not much literally but all is true in the myth.

No I do not, but I do in the myth. After all, if we are called to be his brothers and sisters he's not the only one.

Yes I told you already, the miracles speak on behalf of the transformation of the mind. This is done in Galilee where mere shepherds are called to be apostles and are recalled in the upper room where they become our riches in heaven.

Johnny Skeptic

Message to Chili: How do you believe that the universe and humans got here? If by a designer, what is his specific identity/name, or is it your position that there are many Gods? I am not interested in your assessment of what people "believe" that the truth is. I am only interested in what the truth "is" regardless of what people believe it is. The truth has nothing whatsoever to do with whether or not people believe it. Everyone used to believe that the earth was flat, and they were all wrong. What I mean is, do you have any facts at all that back up your many assertions, or are all of you many assertions the result of inispiration, otherwise stated spiritual/emotional experiences?

Are you trying to convince people to accept your views? If so, you need to state clearly and simply what your views are, and you haven't done that so far. I asked you in another post if you have family members and friends who share your views, but you did not answer my question. Why not? As I said in a previous post, I suspect that you are a solitary person. Is that true?

Chili

The universe never got here for two reason. First, it has no existence of being to get anywhere and second, it is the space wherein we find existence and that makes the word 'here' irrelevant. Notice that we are [the sum total of our universe] prior to our existence = without me God can no longer be.Yes I understand and really cannot tell you what people believe.

The designer it the sum total of our universe and therefore called I AM. This would be the same for every thing that is but must be sentient so it can have an identity and respond from its own perspective.

To isolate one God as a supernatural being is an inspired concept to lead humans in the gather of food, wisdom and beauty as social beings while they are in oblivion . . . and finally lead them back into Eden where they will be able to spend the rest of their days in happiness and good health until they die of old age. It is just that simple and the rest is all decoration to make this God 'super' in the natural world out of which we must decorate our own heaven in the accumulation of beauty and truth . . . by the myth for the myth wherein only we can transcend human understanding. Ie. there is no salvation outside the church.

In this sense will each mythology have its own God or have its own God by any other name. No because the world is still flat and is very flat to make heaven rounder and higher than it ever was. To understand this you must not lose sight of our creation story wherein earth was created in the singular and heaven in the plural so it is able to contain the sum total of our universe that has been gathered and retained there by the many generations that went before us. Hence it is also where the celestial sea is found whence we came and from where we can be reborn unto eternal life. IOW it has nothing to do with the physical planet earth being round or half round. Of course the Church will never 'let this cat out of the bag' or they might just as well close their doors and hand it over to satan (the world as it is). No, just writing for my own entertainment. My family is OK, the kids are 30 and up and I/we have 10 grand children. We do not talk about my views and I do not push them on anyone.

Solitary as in inner directed? I am certainly not a very good sheep but can be a good Catholic if I want to be.

Johnny Skeptic

That is what I suspected, but the vast majority of people on both sides who debate at the Internet do not write for their own entertainment. I do not oppose religion in general, or Christianity in particular, but I do oppose fundamentalist Christianity in particular because fundamentalist Christians are the chief opponents of homosexuality, same sex marriage and physician assisted suicide, and that includes the Roman Catholic Church. Wherever you go in the world, no matter what the religion, fundamentalists are always trouble. They attempt to legislate their relgious views at the expense of other groups of people who do not agree with their religious agenda.

What I am saying is that your views are quite strange, they are not popular anywhere in the world, they are completely uncorroborated by any kinds of credible evidence whatsoever, and that you are wasting the time of the moderators and the readers at this forum with what you call entertainment. Shame on you. I do not find your posts to be entertaining, and I do not know of one single reader at this forum who considers your posts to be entertaining, informative, or convincing. Life is short, and time is valuable. I do not intend to spend much more time replying to your posts. Why should I? Why should I, or anyone else for that matter, provide you with free entertainment? I am not trying to be rude. I am telling you these things for your own benefit as well as for the benefit of the moderators and the readers at this forum. I suspect that if you continue to make the kinds of posts that you have been making at this forum that most or all of the readers will no longer make any replies to your posts.