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ksen · 11-29-2006, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by sharon45

Well the bible differs with you.

That's easy to say but I'm still looking for the evidence........

I somehow don't think I'm going to get any from you.

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Again I put forth, why does jesus annouce that he is humble? Shouldn't his words, actions, and demeanor be enough to judge if he really was humble or not?

I just did a word search on the word "humble"

http://www.blueletterbible.org/tmp_d...0333-2617.html

Jesus didn't say it......at least not in the King James Version. Are you using a different translation?

ksen · 11-29-2006, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by sharon45

Or the bible.

blastula · 11-29-2006, 03:22 PM

Matthew 11:28-30 (New International Version)

28"Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest. 29Take my yoke upon you and learn from me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. 30For my yoke is easy and my burden is light."

No Robots · 11-29-2006, 03:28 PM

Thank you for posting that quotation, Blastula. It really does force us to discuss the paradox of humility and pride in this man. I would maintain that, just as he has none of the pride of the little man, he has none of the humility of the little man. His humility is born of the depths of his inner self-knowing, in the calm beauty of his selfhood. But there is nothing passive or weak about this kind of humility. It is the humility of a calm sea that can at any moment rise and sink everything on its surface.

ksen · 11-29-2006, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by blastula

Matthew 11:28-30 (New International Version)

28"Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest. 29Take my yoke upon you and learn from me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. 30For my yoke is easy and my burden is light."

Thanks Blastula for finding this.

I don't see anything wrong with Jesus saying this since it is true. I don't see how He was saying it in order to brag about it (thus nullifying the statement). It reads like a simple statement of fact and being the Creator incarnate He would be in a position to know.

blastula · 11-29-2006, 04:05 PM

You're welcome ksen. No problem No Robots. I'd bet you'd be a good tea leaf reader, if it's not considered sorcery. .

For what it's worth, there's also passages where hE praises humility in general.

Matthew 18:4
Matthew 23:12
Luke 1:52
Luke 14:11
Luke 18:14

Omegasevx · 11-29-2006, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by No Robots

There is no humility in Christ. How could there be? What does he have to be humble about?

He was a bastard child born in a barn for crying out loud!

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But nor is there any of the craven pride of the little man. No, Christ's pride is the pride of the perfect, the absolute, the all consuming mystic who cries: "I and the Father are One!"

Give it a rest.

No one here gets fired up about Jesus when you call him all consuming, or a mystic, or perfect. Rubbish.

Try explaining how 2 people can be 1 person for starters. :huh:

WishboneDawn · 11-29-2006, 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Omegasevx

He was a bastard child born in a barn for crying out loud!

Or a house. Depends on the gospel.

xaxxat · 11-29-2006, 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by ksen

If you're not a Christian then you are correct: Paul wasn't writing to you.

Nor was he writing to any Americans either. Context, right?..

No Robots · 11-29-2006, 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Omegasevx

He was a bastard child born in a barn for crying out loud!

Only a depraved moralism would find in this grounds for shame or humiliation.

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Give it a rest.

No one here gets fired up about Jesus when you call him all consuming, or a mystic, or perfect. Rubbish.

That he was a mystic is pretty much the consensus view. See Marcus Borg, for example.

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Try explaining how 2 people can be 1 person for starters. :huh:

I ain't no trinitarian.

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11-29-2006, 03:22 PM	#103
blastula Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: USA Posts: 6,070	Matthew 11:28-30 (New International Version) 28"Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest. 29Take my yoke upon you and learn from me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. 30For my yoke is easy and my burden is light."

11-29-2006, 03:28 PM	#104
No Robots Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Edmonton Posts: 5,679	Thank you for posting that quotation, Blastula. It really does force us to discuss the paradox of humility and pride in this man. I would maintain that, just as he has none of the pride of the little man, he has none of the humility of the little man. His humility is born of the depths of his inner self-knowing, in the calm beauty of his selfhood. But there is nothing passive or weak about this kind of humility. It is the humility of a calm sea that can at any moment rise and sink everything on its surface.

11-29-2006, 04:05 PM	#106
blastula Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: USA Posts: 6,070	You're welcome ksen. No problem No Robots. I'd bet you'd be a good tea leaf reader, if it's not considered sorcery. . For what it's worth, there's also passages where hE praises humility in general. Matthew 18:4 Matthew 23:12 Luke 1:52 Luke 14:11 Luke 18:14

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