Xixax

It would be great if you would take this to another thread. Perhaps even going back to threads where you have already brought this up only to have it thrashed soundly? No need to pollute this one even further. Maybe you can chime in on the resurrection a little?

Demigawd

Here's a much better explanation as to why rainbows exist:

What is a rainbow?

Mullibok

I think his post here is about why if one believes the Bible then one must believe the flood was global, not about anything extra-Biblical. In other words, one of his assumptions is that the Bible is true, so arguing that it's not is not relevant to this particular point. I tend to agree with Magus on this point, while not believing there was a global flood or any other such thing myself.

Xixax

*sits back to see if Magus produces Irreducible Complexity arguments to show that Rainbows are obviously in the domain of ID and not a result of natural processes*

Magus55

Heathen stated that the flood of the Bible could have been local, since the middle east was the farthest extent that people of the time knew of. I showed reasons why it couldn't have, and since we are discussing the Biblical flood, biblical evidence is valid. How about you butt out Biff? Your claims of, this isn't real cause I said so, don't serve much purpose other than making you look arrogant.

Warcraft3

Xixax:

The objections you raise are pretty common ones. I have seen all of these debated before and I think some are good and others are rather weak. But since several of them could get into a rather lengthy discussion I will answer them one at a time.

The arguments against a historical Jesus are rather weak IMO, so Ill only go into that if you really want to. But answering the "all religions make supernatural claims"....

The reason I find it hard to believe that Christianity would have made it past the first century is because the very belief itself stands or falls on the question of miracles and specifically on the resurrection. I havent seen any religions (or myths) that are similar in this regard. The claims were of current miracles taking place, not past events. Vast distances? Lack of eye witnesses? These people didnt live in a vacuum. Christ didnt perform miracles once or twice but so often that one would think such claims of miracles done to specific people in specific places (many of them well known to the public) with very large groups witnessing the events, would be rather easily dealt with by the critics of Christ.

Magus55

And maybe God made it so water has a prism effect after the flood. Were you around 4000 years ago to see if Rainbows existed? And no you can't assume that rainbows have been occuring since the beginning of time, since you have no clue.

Mageth

God uses a rainbow as his convenant to never flood the Earth again. If the flood was only local, why are there still local floods to this day?

But, if "earth" was limited to the extent that Heathen described, God could keep the promise by not flooding that entire region again, while still allowing (or causing) local floods in other areas, could he not?

Or, as another solution, the local floods we see to this day could be floods not directly caused by God, as the Noahic Flood supposedly was.

In either case, your Rainbow argument for a Global Flood does not seem to float.

Mageth

That's gotta be one of the most idiotic arguments I've ever seen. And pardon me, no offense intended.

Were you around 4000 years ago to see if rainbows did not exist, BTW?

Demigawd

*LOL!!!*

And maybe little faeries paint dew droplets on flowers in the wee hours of the morning, rather than water condensing on the petals due to temperature. And maybe your mother found you in a cabbage patch and decided to take you home with her, instead of her and your father producing you through sex.

The "maybe" game you play, Magus55, gets people no where in a big hurry. All you've demonstrated is you are scared shitless by the thought of eternal damnation, and so you are covering your buttocks by trusting blindly a mythology that has a distant, tenuous connection to your ancestors' mythology.