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lemonhead_fizz · 12-11-2003, 01:25 AM

please, maybe im the one who doesn't know. but after reading the bible over and over again, i still don't know. WHO MARRIED CAIN? after the dude murdered his brother and then, he went off to Enoch, right? who did he marry? anyone owho knows, please tell me. thanks.

offa · 12-11-2003, 02:43 AM

read Jubilees - you can find it on the Internet - Jubilees is traced back to at least 100 b.c.e.

Sensei Meela · 12-11-2003, 07:23 AM

Jubilees is apocryphal, though, and not canonical in certain (non-Catholic/Protestant) denominations. So just add a few more grains of salt to your reading!

The various answers I've seen to the question of Cains wife in the land of Nod are: 1) she was from the 'other tribes' that God created (uncredited) 2) she was one of Eve's daughters and the chronology/phylogeny given in the early chapters of Genesis are simply out of step 3) She was a caveman (seriously!) 4) She was one of the 'sons of God' (another mysterious race of people) 5) She is related to Lilith (who, in some form of Judaic mysticism, was Adam's first wife. Lilith refused to be subjugated to Adam and was cursed to give birth to all the demons of the world)

I'm not certain any of these 'answer' the question (except possibly number two), since they all seem to indicate God creating past day 6. Lilith, I'm sure you are aware, has all but been excised entirely from orthodox Judeo-Christian mythology.

Magus55 · 12-11-2003, 08:09 AM

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please, maybe im the one who doesn't know. but after reading the bible over and over again, i still don't know. WHO MARRIED CAIN? after the dude murdered his brother and then, he went off to Enoch, right? who did he marry? anyone owho knows, please tell me. thanks.

Most likely his sister because incest didn't exist at the start of creation.

Mageth · 12-11-2003, 08:16 AM

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Most likely his sister because incest didn't exist at the start of creation.

I would also consider this explanation "apocryphal".

Artemus · 12-11-2003, 08:49 AM

I've always that it was pretty apparent that two or more entirely different stories got combined into one at some time, and no one bothered to check for inconsistencies. I doubt that Cain and Abel were originally the sons of Adam and Eve.

Gooch's dad · 12-11-2003, 09:39 AM

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Most likely his sister because incest didn't exist at the start of creation.

No, Magus, according to your version, incest DID exist, since a brother marrying a sister fits the definition of incest.

What you're trying to say, I guess, is that incest wasn't considered *wrong* at the "start of creation".

Which simply means that you're a moral relativist. In your worldview, there is no absolute code of right and wrong. And your God apparently changes his mind, too.

Magus55 · 12-11-2003, 10:07 AM

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No, Magus, according to your version, incest DID exist, since a brother marrying a sister fits the definition of incest.

What you're trying to say, I guess, is that incest wasn't considered *wrong* at the "start of creation".

Which simply means that you're a moral relativist. In your worldview, there is no absolute code of right and wrong. And your God apparently changes his mind, too.

There is absolute morality, but not everything falls under absolute morality. Incest wasn't forbidden at creation because it had no harmful effects. The gene pool was too pure. By the time of Leviticus, the gene pool had gotten corrupt enough that incest could cause genetic defects, so it was outlawed. Standard laws change, just like they do in modern society. Universal laws don't change ( i.e don't murder).

Mageth · 12-11-2003, 10:09 AM

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Originally posted by Magus55
There is absolute morality, but not everything falls under absolute morality. Incest wasn't forbidden at creation because it had no harmful effects. The gene pool was too pure. By the time of Leviticus, the gene pool had gotten corrupt enough that incest could cause genetic defects, so it was outlawed. Standard laws change, just like they do in modern society. Universal laws don't change ( i.e don't murder).

Define "murder" absolutely.

Gooch's dad · 12-11-2003, 10:12 AM

Magus, that's nothing but a pile of ad hoc rationalization, with no actual support. What is your evidence that the gene pool was "more pure" then? None at all. It's an ad hoc attempt to patch up your story.

And you seriously think that marrying your sister is OK, if there is no plan to have kids? Or if the genetic problem weren't there?

Man, that is just sick.

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12-11-2003, 02:43 AM	#2
offa Regular Member Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Monroeville, Ohio, USA Posts: 440	read Jubilees - you can find it on the Internet - Jubilees is traced back to at least 100 b.c.e.

12-11-2003, 07:23 AM	#3
Sensei Meela Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: AZ, u.s.a. Posts: 1,202	Jubilees is apocryphal, though, and not canonical in certain (non-Catholic/Protestant) denominations. So just add a few more grains of salt to your reading! The various answers I've seen to the question of Cains wife in the land of Nod are: 1) she was from the 'other tribes' that God created (uncredited) 2) she was one of Eve's daughters and the chronology/phylogeny given in the early chapters of Genesis are simply out of step 3) She was a caveman (seriously!) 4) She was one of the 'sons of God' (another mysterious race of people) 5) She is related to Lilith (who, in some form of Judaic mysticism, was Adam's first wife. Lilith refused to be subjugated to Adam and was cursed to give birth to all the demons of the world) I'm not certain any of these 'answer' the question (except possibly number two), since they all seem to indicate God creating past day 6. Lilith, I'm sure you are aware, has all but been excised entirely from orthodox Judeo-Christian mythology.

12-11-2003, 08:49 AM	#6
Artemus Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: USA Posts: 2,467	I've always that it was pretty apparent that two or more entirely different stories got combined into one at some time, and no one bothered to check for inconsistencies. I doubt that Cain and Abel were originally the sons of Adam and Eve.

12-11-2003, 10:12 AM	#10
Gooch's dad Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Madison WI USA Posts: 3,508	Magus, that's nothing but a pile of ad hoc rationalization, with no actual support. What is your evidence that the gene pool was "more pure" then? None at all. It's an ad hoc attempt to patch up your story. And you seriously think that marrying your sister is OK, if there is no plan to have kids? Or if the genetic problem weren't there? Man, that is just sick.

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