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I see I have a note on this in an article I wrote but never published entitled "What the Devil is the Devil Up To? The Content of Jesus' Wilderness Temptation according to Q" I reproduce it below. Jeffrey Quote:
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So I wouldn't be too hard on those who oppose the "Deut. 6-8 as background" view. They work from - and/or are influenced by -- assumptions that have long been part of the framework in which the story was interpreted. Jeffrey |
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a challenge to Pete Brown
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Contrary to your claim, there are no texts or passages in Philo that speak either of Asclepius or of the "priests of Asclepius". Prove me wrong by citing a specific Philonic text that does.. There are no traditions in any extant pre-1st century CE Greek writing in which Asclepius is shown to be, or is spoken of or depicted as, an ascetic. There are no traditions in any extant pre-2nd century CE Greek writing in which Asclepius is shown to be, or is spoken of or depicted as, an ascetic. There are no traditions in any extant pre-3rd century CE Greek writing in which Asclepius is shown to be, or is spoken of or is depicted as, an ascetic. Prove me wrong by citing an actual text from any of these periods that does. Jeffrey |
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The final paragraph of your unpublished note appears to echo my own thoughts in that it seems to me that the expectations for the parallels were unreasonably stringent. I also see no reason why the alternate you describe can't be held in addition to Deuteronomy. That was considered a strong enough argument to outweigh Jesus' apparent reliance upon Deuteronomy for his replies? |
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But we're still waiting for Pete to state plainly a yes or no to the claim that Deut,. 6-8 is the background of the "temptation" story and what actual arguments (not assertions) he can mount and what evidence (not assertions) he can produce against it if he says "no, it's not". Jeffrey |
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If there was a man of Israel, and were such man a King of the Jews, the requirement would still apply. Those who hold that "Christ" was some exception are willfully neglecting that even by their own teachings, The Law was in force until the moment of his death. If he was alive, yet did not obey The Law, then it is by The Law, that he is found as one guilty of sin, as it is written "that man shall bear his sin." But they claim he was without "sin". "Sin" however, is defined as the "transgression of The Law" 1 John 3:4 Just another one of the many contradictions that are inherent in that mess called Christian Theology. |
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