Johnny Skeptic

Why does the Bible contain 100% disputable prophecies? Is it your position that a loving, rational God would make 100% disputable prophecies when he could easily make 100% indisputable prophecies? If Jesus had predicted when and where some natural disasters would occur, very few people would have disputed that he could predict the future.

In your naivity, you are not aware that a being's character is much more important than his power is. Even if a being is able to predict the future, if he always makes disputable prophecies, which needlessly invite dissent instead of discourage dissent, that would mean that he has poor character. Since the Bible implies that God has good character, obviously, the God of the Bible does not exist.

If you had been taken as a baby to Iran, and had been raised by Muslim parents, you would probably be a Muslim today. Why is that? Obviously, because it is not wanting to know the truth that determines whether or not a person becomes a Christian, but at least primarily what worldview a person's parents have, and where a person lives.

Since you know that you are not a good debater, you frequently avoid directly replying to my arguments. That is very good for skepticism because most people interpret evasiveness as weakness.

One wonders to what extent you will go to embarrass yourself more than you already have.

Johnny Skeptic

If a God inspired the Bible, obviously, he would easily be able to inspire prophecies that very few people would dispute. If a God inspired the Bible, why doesn't he do that?

sugarhitman

The Hadiths are Oral reports about things that Muhammed supposedly did or said. The prophecies of the biblical prohets were written down on documents immediatly following these revelations unlike the Hadiths. So tell me when did this Hadith prophecy show up on an actual document?


And by the way "my community" is contained in brackets so which shows to me that it is not original or least added later.


And the fact remains the turks are not Arabs but Europeans.

sugarhitman

So are these bibles that were made at Nicea the same as the KJV or Catholic versions. Why then also does the KJV not contain the same stories as the Catholic bibles? And also the fact that there were documents in existence that enabled the Council "to choose" between them shows well that they did not "create" the bible, because the documents were already in existence. Also the early christians had these documents as well. (The Gospels originated from them and not the Council)


The KJV is the best translation we have, the other books contains many errors, and the Catholic bible includes other books which are not considered true. If the early christians were here today they would choose the KJV.


I am about to open a thread about this false saying that bible prophecy is vague....it is not.

Self-Mutation

http://www.islamreligion.com/articles/347/

The Twofold Prophecy

Before the rise of Islam, the Romans and the Persians were two competing superpowers. Romans were led by Heraclius (610–641 CE), a Christian Emperor, whereas the Persians were Zoroastrians led by Khosrow Parviz (reigned 590–628 CE), under whom the empire achieved its greatest expansion.

In 614, the Persians conquered Syria and Palestine, taking Jerusalem, destroying the Holy Sepulcher and the ‘True Cross’ carried to Ctesiphon. Then, in 619, they occupied Egypt and Libya. Heraclius met them at Thracian Heraclea (617 or 619), but they sought to capture him, and he rode madly back to Constantinople, hotly pursued.[2]

The Muslims were grieved by the Roman defeat as they felt spiritually closer to Christian Rome than Zoroastrian Persia, but the Meccans were naturally buoyed up by the victory of pagan Persia. To Meccans, the Roman humiliation was a sinister omen of the defeat of the Muslims at pagan hands. At the time God’s prophecy comforted the faithful:

“The Romans have been defeated - in a land close by; but they, (even) after (this) defeat of theirs, will soon be victorious- within ten years. With God is the Decision, in the past and in the future: on that Day shall the believers rejoice with the help of God. He helps whom He will, and He is the Mighty, the Most-Merciful.” (Quran 30:2-4)

The Quran made a prophecy of two victories:

(i) The future Roman victory within ten years over Persians, something unimaginable at the time

(ii) The joy of the faithful on a victory over the pagans

Both of these prophecies actually occured.

In 622, Heraclius left Constantinople as prayers rose from its many sanctuaries for victory over the Persian Zoroastrians and the reconquest of Jerusalem. He devoted the next two years to campaigns in Armenia. In 627, he met the Persians near Nineveh. There, he killed three Persian generals in single combat, killed the Persian commander, and scattered the Persian host. A month later, Heraclius entered Dastagird with its stupendous treasure. Khosrow was overthrown by his son, who made peace with Heraclius. Returning to Constantinople in triumph, Heraclius was hailed as a hero.[3]

Also, in the year 624 AH, Muslims defeated the Meccans in the first and decisive Battle at Badr.

In the words of an Indian scholar:

“…a single line of prophecy was related to four nations and the fate of two great empires. All this proves the Holy Quran to be the Book of God.”[4]


You a Muslim now? Or are you trying to find a way to explain it away like the skeptics do?

When will you admit God doesn't interfere in the natural world and people write down vague things?

Self-Mutation

Please stop viewing God as a little kid who can't do anything right. If the KJV Bible was so great, Jesus would've handed them out when he visited Earth. He wouldn't have waited until the 1600's to have the book written. He is God, remember?

You keep claiming prophecy isn't vague, but then whine and cry when asked why God doesn't reveal exact dates if he is truly God.

You keep trying to belittle God and make him sound like a big fat idiot. He is not. God is beyond prophecy and stop trying to bring him down.

tonan22

No they weren't. Please research this.

Trout

Zee stock market...she shall rise...........just give it enough time

Bunch of fools.

WVIncagold

yup how about the Iroquois? Again let me explain in terms you may understand. your hand is proof you have your right hand, however, it is not proof you masturbated 6 years ago. Israel is proof the country exist (your hand) that only. not that some bronze age god exists (your flotsam).

sugarhitman

Ha, ha! Muhammed did not begin his revelations until 610 A.D. the Quran was not created until about 635 A.D. in other words these prophecies and "fulfillments" occured during the events and are very short ranged. The bible prophets foretold things thousands of years in advanced. They were long dead when most of the prophecies were fulfilled. You cannot even begin to compare the Quran with the bible. Can you cite one in the Quran, that fortold things to come thousand or hundreds of years away? And that have been fulfilled? No you cannot. There is no other Book like the Bible....there are no other prophets like the prophets of the Bible....There is no God besisdes the one revealed in the Bible. :wave: