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Old 12-14-2008, 09:07 PM   #51
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Jeffrey, could you start a thread that addresses the single biggest point or weakness in Mountainman's ideas about constantine?
If you can pick a simple one that is to the point and hard to dodge and weave out of because often I get the feeling that Mountainman IS dodging out of questions but I'm not quite sure.
I personally think that there were many variations of "christianity" before Constantine and he, for whatever reasons, put together the best congenial version that suited the most people and ran with it.
I just don't have a clear cut idea in my head of what exactly refutes Mountainman's hypothesis.
Please, no. We've provided enough bandwidth for Pete (mountainman) to try to prove his thesis.

If there were many variations of Christianity before Constantine, mountainman's thesis is disproven.

If anyone prayed to Jesus Christ before Constantine, mountainman's thesis is disproven.

Mountainman combines some statements that it would be hard to disagree with - Constantine was an imperial ruler, Eusebius probably forged a few documents, Christians have forged lots of historical artifacts - with statements that are just off the mark. And when shown the error of his thinking, he won't adjust.

Pete maintains that Constantine did not just shape Christianity, but that he invented it whole cloth in the fourth century. He claims that only carbon dated archeological evidence can be used to refute his hypothesis, however well founded the dating of the finds.

But you will not find anyone else here who thinks that Pete has a coherent theory, besides Pete.

Jeffrey Gibson may be lacking in tact and diplomacy, but don't let that create some sympathy for Pete's ideas.
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Old 12-15-2008, 04:23 AM   #52
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Jeffrey, could you start a thread that addresses the single biggest point or weakness in Mountainman's ideas about constantine?
If you can pick a simple one that is to the point and hard to dodge and weave out of because often I get the feeling that Mountainman IS dodging out of questions but I'm not quite sure.
I personally think that there were many variations of "christianity" before Constantine and he, for whatever reasons, put together the best congenial version that suited the most people and ran with it.
I just don't have a clear cut idea in my head of what exactly refutes Mountainman's hypothesis.
Please, no. We've provided enough bandwidth for Pete (mountainman) to try to prove his thesis.

If there were many variations of Christianity before Constantine, mountainman's thesis is disproven.

If anyone prayed to Jesus Christ before Constantine, mountainman's thesis is disproven.

Mountainman combines some statements that it would be hard to disagree with - Constantine was an imperial ruler, Eusebius probably forged a few documents, Christians have forged lots of historical artifacts - with statements that are just off the mark. And when shown the error of his thinking, he won't adjust.

Pete maintains that Constantine did not just shape Christianity, but that he invented it whole cloth in the fourth century. He claims that only carbon dated archeological evidence can be used to refute his hypothesis, however well founded the dating of the finds.

But you will not find anyone else here who thinks that Pete has a coherent theory, besides Pete.

Jeffrey Gibson may be lacking in tact and diplomacy, but don't let that create some sympathy for Pete's ideas.
No problems.
I sort of agree with Avi - it does seem rather a bizare and unlikely thing for a character like Constantine to do - more likely he was trying to stabilize an untidy mess of a religion that was becoming important to religious people in his empire.
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