Hedshaker

Simple. He does, but God moves in mysterious ways and when things go pear shaped it must be for a greater good which our finite minds can't comprehend.

I thought everyone knew that

Orbit

jfryejr

For one athlete to succeed, another athlete must lose. If not by god's doing, then by whose?

Johnny Skeptic

If God moves in mysterious ways, let him say so himself. All that we have is Isaiah's word for it.

Why do Christians pray for healing instead of trusting God to work things out in his mysterious ways? So the Bubonic Plague and the recent Tsunami in Asia were for the greater good, eh? Why would you pray for a safe journey when God might have a serious traffic accident in mind for you in order to teach you something, or maybe he just wants to kill you?

What tangible evidence is there that God is working in people's lives today? Why do you assume that God is good? All that we have is the Bible writer's word for it, and there is no evidence at all that any of them ever met God. If God were to show up and answer some questions, then we would have something to talk about, but human proxies claiming that they are speaking for God is a preposterous notion. If your best friend told you that he was speaking for God, would you believe him?

Nightson

Yeah, jeez, don't you people read Candide, if you have, you know everything works out for the greater good.

jonesg

I'll repeat.... because most people aren't seriously screwed up.

Don't let the implications keep you from the facts.

jonesg

The atheist might be a seeker but diligence implies honest seeking and theres little of that in atheistic defiance.

"in all the corners of our hearts"

Try the knees. The knees.

Wads4

Nice-very poetic.

Cross Examiner

The thoughts and ways of atheists are not my thoughts and ways. Yet it is false that I am 'unaware of' the thoughts and ways of atheists.
Irregardless? You mean regardless or irrespective, right? Anyway, I am a Christian and I aim to hold rationally justified belief irrespective of what 'comfort' (or any other psychological carrot for that matter) a belief may or may not provide. So the statement above is untrue.
I agree. We need compassion today no less than yesterday. In fact, I believe one ought to be compassionate. That is, I hold that the human being as a moral agent has an objectively real moral duty to act compasionately, especially if the agent is a member of the body of Christ (i.e., the worldwide church of God). On the other hand, if we are mistaken and there is no God then I see no reason to think moral statements like 'one ought to have compassion for others' have any ontological implications at all much less that they imply real moral duty. Which is to say that without God, I find insufficient cause to believe moral statements even may be true or binding.
I think God intends that, for better or worse, the church is to be His 'tangible' presence for the time being. There is, of course, plenty of evidence to suggest the church is extant and active in the world.
Absent specifics, or even as much as an unambiguous truth-claim, one is hard pressed to know how the seemingly miraculous and the distribution thereof is in fact completely explained by an appeal to the 'laws of physics'. I must say I doubt this critical angle will prove at all fruitful but I'm always in the mood for a surprise or three.

Mageth

So you're saying atheists don't "honestly seek"?

BTW, I'm an atheist, and "defiance" has nothing, nillo, zilch, zero, nada to do with my being an atheist.

Honest seeking is exactly what led me to the position of atheism (lacking belief in God).

...one finds blood.

You seem to have some sort of anatomical fixation.

BTW, I tried the "knee" thing for 40 years or so. I got nothing, nillo, zilch, zero, nada.

mindovermyth

Originally Posted by jonesg
"Thats because only a screwed up athlete would think to blame God for their own failure, so don't expect to hear it too often, it should be a demonstration to you that people with a concept of God tend to be more evenly balanced." (bold by MoM).

Original question still stands.

Pls inform me (if you care to) whether following statement would be logically consistant with your view:

Only a screwed up athlete would think to credit God for their own success.