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Old 03-26-2007, 03:24 PM   #1
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Default On the subtect of Mark, the parallels and thier meaning

As I have said several time, I view Mark as about the destruction of Judea, and the author used both explicit and implicit references to the "Old Testament" to build his story.

I am now beginning to do a fuller examination of this hypothesis, to lay out in full an analysis of Mark as is relates to the Old Testament.

I'll just start with the beginning of Mark 1 in this post.

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Mark 1:
The beginning of the gospel about Jesus Christ.

2 It is written in Isaiah the prophet:
"I will send my messenger ahead of you,
who will prepare your way"

3 "a voice of one calling in the desert,
'Prepare the way for the Lord,
make straight paths for him.' "
4 And so John came, baptizing in the desert region and preaching a baptism of repentance for the forgiveness of sins. 5 The whole Judean countryside and all the people of Jerusalem went out to him. Confessing their sins, they were baptized by him in the Jordan River. 6 John wore clothing made of camel's hair, with a leather belt around his waist, and he ate locusts and wild honey. 7 And this was his message: "After me will come one more powerful than I, the thongs of whose sandals I am not worthy to stoop down and untie. 8 I baptize you with water, but he will baptize you with the Holy Spirit."
This starts with a reference to Malachi 3:1.

Malachi is a book about Judah being unfaithful. Malachi 3:1 is a passage talking about what will happen after Judea is destroyed.

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Malachi 2:
1 "And now this admonition is for you, O priests. 2 If you do not listen, and if you do not set your heart to honor my name," says the LORD Almighty, "I will send a curse upon you, and I will curse your blessings. Yes, I have already cursed them, because you have not set your heart to honor me.

3 "Because of you I will rebuke [a] your descendants [b] ; I will spread on your faces the offal from your festival sacrifices, and you will be carried off with it. 4 And you will know that I have sent you this admonition so that my covenant with Levi may continue," says the LORD Almighty. 5 "My covenant was with him, a covenant of life and peace, and I gave them to him; this called for reverence and he revered me and stood in awe of my name. 6 True instruction was in his mouth and nothing false was found on his lips. He walked with me in peace and uprightness, and turned many from sin.

7 "For the lips of a priest ought to preserve knowledge, and from his mouth men should seek instruction—because he is the messenger of the LORD Almighty. 8 But you have turned from the way and by your teaching have caused many to stumble; you have violated the covenant with Levi," says the LORD Almighty. 9 "So I have caused you to be despised and humiliated before all the people, because you have not followed my ways but have shown partiality in matters of the law."

10 Have we not all one Father [c]? Did not one God create us? Why do we profane the covenant of our fathers by breaking faith with one another?

11 Judah has broken faith. A detestable thing has been committed in Israel and in Jerusalem: Judah has desecrated the sanctuary the LORD loves, by marrying the daughter of a foreign god. 12 As for the man who does this, whoever he may be, may the LORD cut him off from the tents of Jacob [d] —even though he brings offerings to the LORD Almighty.

13 Another thing you do: You flood the LORD's altar with tears. You weep and wail because he no longer pays attention to your offerings or accepts them with pleasure from your hands. 14 You ask, "Why?" It is because the LORD is acting as the witness between you and the wife of your youth, because you have broken faith with her, though she is your partner, the wife of your marriage covenant.

15 Has not the LORD made them one? In flesh and spirit they are his. And why one? Because he was seeking godly offspring. [e] So guard yourself in your spirit, and do not break faith with the wife of your youth.

16 "I hate divorce," says the LORD God of Israel, "and I hate a man's covering himself [f] with violence as well as with his garment," says the LORD Almighty.
So guard yourself in your spirit, and do not break faith.

17 You have wearied the LORD with your words.
"How have we wearied him?" you ask.
By saying, "All who do evil are good in the eyes of the LORD, and he is pleased with them" or "Where is the God of justice?"

Malachi 3:
1 "See, I will send my messenger, who will prepare the way before me. Then suddenly the Lord you are seeking will come to his temple; the messenger of the covenant, whom you desire, will come," says the LORD Almighty.

2 But who can endure the day of his coming? Who can stand when he appears? For he will be like a refiner's fire or a launderer's soap. 3 He will sit as a refiner and purifier of silver; he will purify the Levites and refine them like gold and silver. Then the LORD will have men who will bring offerings in righteousness, 4 and the offerings of Judah and Jerusalem will be acceptable to the LORD, as in days gone by, as in former years.

5 "So I will come near to you for judgment. I will be quick to testify against sorcerers, adulterers and perjurers, against those who defraud laborers of their wages, who oppress the widows and the fatherless, and deprive aliens of justice, but do not fear me," says the LORD Almighty.
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Malachi 4:
1 "Surely the day is coming; it will burn like a furnace. All the arrogant and every evildoer will be stubble, and that day that is coming will set them on fire," says the LORD Almighty. "Not a root or a branch will be left to them. 2 But for you who revere my name, the sun of righteousness will rise with healing in its wings. And you will go out and leap like calves released from the stall. 3 Then you will trample down the wicked; they will be ashes under the soles of your feet on the day when I do these things," says the LORD Almighty.

4 "Remember the law of my servant Moses, the decrees and laws I gave him at Horeb for all Israel.

5 "See, I will send you the prophet Elijah before that great and dreadful day of the LORD comes. 6 He will turn the hearts of the fathers to their children, and the hearts of the children to their fathers; or else I will come and strike the land with a curse."
So, this text, I believe is the setting for the Gospel of Mark. This text, Malachi, is the primary subtext of the whole Gospel.

The next references is to Isaiah 40:30.

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Isaiah 40:
1 Comfort, comfort my people,
says your God.

2 Speak tenderly to Jerusalem,
and proclaim to her
that her hard service has been completed,
that her sin has been paid for,
that she has received from the LORD's hand
double for all her sins.

3 A voice of one calling:
"In the desert prepare
the way for the LORD;
make straight in the wilderness
a highway for our God.


4 Every valley shall be raised up,
every mountain and hill made low;
the rough ground shall become level,
the rugged places a plain.

5 And the glory of the LORD will be revealed,
and all mankind together will see it.
For the mouth of the LORD has spoken."
This passages appears to be a post destruction message. This is Mark referring to a passage talking about what has happened to Judea after its destruction. "She has received payment for her sins", and presumably those that follow the revealed Lord, Christ have paid their debt and can again be in the graces of God.

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Mark 1:
9 At that time Jesus came from Nazareth in Galilee and was baptized by John in the Jordan. 10 As Jesus was coming up out of the water, he saw heaven being torn open and the Spirit descending on him like a dove. 11 And a voice came from heaven: "You are my Son, whom I love; with you I am well pleased."
I'm not sure about Mk1:10. It could either refer to Isaiah 64 or Ezekiel 1, or could be a general claim not tied to scriptures.

I tend to think that it does refer to Isaiah 64, and here we see the first shot of irony from Mark, where he says that the spirit descended like a dove, a sign of peace, but indeed the subtext is quite brutal:

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Isaiah 64:
1 Oh, that you would rend the heavens and come down,
that the mountains would tremble before you!

2 As when fire sets twigs ablaze
and causes water to boil,
come down to make your name known to your enemies
and cause the nations to quake before you!

3 For when you did awesome things that we did not expect,
you came down, and the mountains trembled before you.

4 Since ancient times no one has heard,
no ear has perceived,
no eye has seen any God besides you,
who acts on behalf of those who wait for him.

5 You come to the help of those who gladly do right,
who remember your ways.
But when we continued to sin against them,
you were angry.
How then can we be saved?

6 All of us have become like one who is unclean,
and all our righteous acts are like filthy rags;
we all shrivel up like a leaf,
and like the wind our sins sweep us away.

7 No one calls on your name
or strives to lay hold of you;
for you have hidden your face from us
and made us waste away because of our sins.

8 Yet, O LORD, you are our Father.
We are the clay, you are the potter;
we are all the work of your hand.

9 Do not be angry beyond measure, O LORD;
do not remember our sins forever.
Oh, look upon us, we pray,
for we are all your people.

10 Your sacred cities have become a desert;
even Zion is a desert, Jerusalem a desolation.

11 Our holy and glorious temple, where our fathers praised you,
has been burned with fire,
and all that we treasured lies in ruins.

12 After all this, O LORD, will you hold yourself back?
Will you keep silent and punish us beyond measure?
Again, this descent of the dove symbolizes the descent of God into Jesus, and God this is a harbinger again of the destruction of Israel. The references to the destruction of the Temple are quite clear here.

The passage for "You are my son" likely refers to Isaiah 42:

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Isaiah 42:
1 "Here is my servant, whom I uphold,
my chosen one in whom I delight;
I will put my Spirit on him
and he will bring justice to the nations.


2 He will not shout or cry out,
or raise his voice in the streets.

3 A bruised reed he will not break,
and a smoldering wick he will not snuff out.
In faithfulness he will bring forth justice;

4 he will not falter or be discouraged
till he establishes justice on earth.
In his law the islands will put their hope."

5 This is what God the LORD says—
he who created the heavens and stretched them out,
who spread out the earth and all that comes out of it,
who gives breath to its people,
and life to those who walk on it:

6 "I, the LORD, have called you in righteousness;
I will take hold of your hand.
I will keep you and will make you
to be a covenant for the people
and a light for the Gentiles,
We just had the mention of the descent of the Spirit in the form of a dove, which corresponds to this as well. And we have the mention of being a light for the Gentiles, again setting the tone for the story, which we see fulfilled in the crucifixion scene with the Roman soldier recognizing him as the son of God.

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Mark 1:
12 At once the Spirit sent him out into the desert, 13 and he was in the desert forty days, being tempted by Satan. He was with the wild animals, and angels attended him.
I'm not exactly sure about this one, but this may refer to Isaiah 43:

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Isaiah 43:
14 This is what the LORD says—
your Redeemer, the Holy One of Israel:
"For your sake I will send to Babylon
and bring down as fugitives all the Babylonians, [b]
in the ships in which they took pride.

15 I am the LORD, your Holy One,
Israel's Creator, your King."

16 This is what the LORD says—
he who made a way through the sea,
a path through the mighty waters,

17 who drew out the chariots and horses,
the army and reinforcements together,
and they lay there, never to rise again,
extinguished, snuffed out like a wick:

18 "Forget the former things;
do not dwell on the past.

19 See, I am doing a new thing!
Now it springs up; do you not perceive it?
I am making a way in the desert
and streams in the wasteland.

20 The wild animals honor me,
the jackals and the owls,
because I provide water in the desert
and streams in the wasteland,
to give drink to my people, my chosen,


21 the people I formed for myself
that they may proclaim my praise.

22 "Yet you have not called upon me, O Jacob,
you have not wearied yourselves for me, O Israel.

23 You have not brought me sheep for burnt offerings,
nor honored me with your sacrifices.
I have not burdened you with grain offerings
nor wearied you with demands for incense.

24 You have not bought any fragrant calamus for me,
or lavished on me the fat of your sacrifices.
But you have burdened me with your sins
and wearied me with your offenses.

25 "I, even I, am he who blots out
your transgressions, for my own sake,
and remembers your sins no more.

26 Review the past for me,
let us argue the matter together;
state the case for your innocence.

27 Your first father sinned;
your spokesmen rebelled against me.

28 So I will disgrace the dignitaries of your temple,
and I will consign Jacob to destruction [c]
and Israel to scorn.
This one is a little unclear, but I think it fits because of the other subtexts. It again falls into the pattern of talking about the destruction of Israel. This may not be a real subtext for this passage, but surely something is, its just hard to search through passages about the desert since there are so many in the OT.

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Mark 1:
14After John was put in prison, Jesus went into Galilee, proclaiming the good news of God. 15"The time has come," he said. "The kingdom of God is near. Repent and believe the good news!"

16As Jesus walked beside the Sea of Galilee, he saw Simon and his brother Andrew casting a net into the lake, for they were fishermen. 17"Come, follow me," Jesus said, "and I will make you fishers of men." 18At once they left their nets and followed him.

19When he had gone a little farther, he saw James son of Zebedee and his brother John in a boat, preparing their nets. 20Without delay he called them, and they left their father Zebedee in the boat with the hired men and followed him.
Now we get nasty:

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Jeremiah 16:
8 "And do not enter a house where there is feasting and sit down to eat and drink. 9 For this is what the LORD Almighty, the God of Israel, says: Before your eyes and in your days I will bring an end to the sounds of joy and gladness and to the voices of bride and bridegroom in this place.

10 "When you tell these people all this and they ask you, 'Why has the LORD decreed such a great disaster against us? What wrong have we done? What sin have we committed against the LORD our God?' 11 then say to them, 'It is because your fathers forsook me,' declares the LORD, 'and followed other gods and served and worshiped them. They forsook me and did not keep my law. 12 But you have behaved more wickedly than your fathers. See how each of you is following the stubbornness of his evil heart instead of obeying me. 13 So I will throw you out of this land into a land neither you nor your fathers have known, and there you will serve other gods day and night, for I will show you no favor.'

14 "However, the days are coming," declares the LORD, "when men will no longer say, 'As surely as the LORD lives, who brought the Israelites up out of Egypt,' 15 but they will say, 'As surely as the LORD lives, who brought the Israelites up out of the land of the north and out of all the countries where he had banished them.' For I will restore them to the land I gave their forefathers.

16 "But now I will send for many fishermen," declares the LORD, "and they will catch them. After that I will send for many hunters, and they will hunt them down on every mountain and hill and from the crevices of the rocks. 17 My eyes are on all their ways; they are not hidden from me, nor is their sin concealed from my eyes. 18 I will repay them double for their wickedness and their sin, because they have defiled my land with the lifeless forms of their vile images and have filled my inheritance with their detestable idols."
This says that eventually God will be nice to the Jews, but for now, he will hunt them down and kill them for their sins against him. Again, we stay in the pattern of references to the destruction of Israel.

So, from this you can see why I think the Gospel of Mark is an allegory about the destruction of Israel built on literary allusions to the Hebrew scriptures.

Again, its not just that parallels can be found, its that the parallels can all be fit within the framework that I have proposed, which is that this is a story about the destruction of Israel, and the parallels all conform to that.
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It seems to me you are foggy about the use of words like 'setting' and 'allegory'.


You've shown some scriptures Mark uses, which clearly set the tone. (not the setting).

The pattern upon which Mark is modelled is none of these scriptures, but rather the cycle of Elijah/Elisha stories in Kings. Mark follows the sequence of miracles there quite closely, and this is well documented (The Birth of the Synoptics, Jean Carmignac, etc.).

You are apparently also unaware of the Quotation structure in Mark, which also is meant to powerfully transmit the agenda or unfolding of events.

The focus on Judaea's rejection of the Messiah and Gospel is a distortion. Its but one aspect and perhaps not the central one.
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It seems to me you are foggy about the use of words like 'setting' and 'allegory'.
I used the word setting poorly in one place. This is a forum, not a book drafting place.

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The pattern upon which Mark is modelled is none of these scriptures, but rather the cycle of Elijah/Elisha stories in Kings.
"Pattern"? I didn't say that these scriptures were the pattern, just the tone and underlying meaning. I would like to look into this Elijah/Elisha pattern more though.

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Mark follows the sequence of miracles there quite closely, and this is well documented (The Birth of the Synoptics, Jean Carmignac, etc.).
Good, I'll look into that.

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You are apparently also unaware of the Quotation structure in Mark, which also is meant to powerfully transmit the agenda or unfolding of events.
What quotation structure is that, and how would is contradict what I have laid out?

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The focus on Judaea's rejection of the Messiah and Gospel is a distortion. Its but one aspect and perhaps not the central one.
Explain. I think that it is the central one, which would make perfect sense if this as written right after the destruction of Judea, and also because the Jews at this time were obsessed with the idea that their God was out to destroy them, as so many OT writings demonstrate.
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Malachi, there is a post Vorkosigan posted here about OT parallels in Mark, use it as a starting point. It could save time.
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Malachi, there is a post Vorkosigan posted here about OT parallels in Mark, use it as a starting point. It could save time.
I've dug out my old notes on the Elijah-Elishah cycle and Mark and put out for 'sharing' with whoever...

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I don't know. Looking at some of the parallels they looks a little weak.

I'm sure that the author would have had these things in mind and there would have been an influence, I'm just not so sure how strictly that was used as a template.

Without knowing Greek this becomes really difficult I think....
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