Johnnyboy

What do you think about these passage?

deut 28; 63

63 Just as it pleased the LORD to make you prosper and increase in number, so it will please him to ruin and destroy you. You will be uprooted from the land you are entering to possess.
64 Then the LORD will scatter you among all nations, from one end of the earth to the other. There you will worship other gods—gods of wood and stone, which neither you nor your fathers have known.
65 Among those nations you will find no repose, no resting place for the sole of your foot. There the LORD will give you an anxious mind, eyes weary with longing, and a despairing heart.
66 You will live in constant suspense, filled with dread both night and day, never sure of your life.
67 In the morning you will say, "If only it were evening!" and in the evening, "If only it were morning!"-because of the terror that will fill your hearts and the sights that your eyes will see.
68 The LORD will send you back in ships to Egypt on a journey I said you should never make again. There you will offer yourselves for sale to your enemies as male and female slaves, but no one will buy you.

I am a bit confused, since this passage fits very well, in waht happend to the jewish nation.

Malachi151

Well, they prophesied about pretty much everything, so that should be no surprise. Also, they were constantly under attack, so that's why they had these kinds of prophecies. In addition, you name a nation or people that this WOULDN'T apply to?

Rome, Greece, Egypt, the Mongols, the Celts, etc., etc. This happened to every ancient culture.

Plus, I think that most of this stuff was written after these things happened in the first place, by later writers who were explaining things that happened to them in the past. In the case of "the Jews", this happened to them many times. They were overtaken, their cities destroyed, and enslaved multiple times.

RED DAVE

From Johnnyboy:
Actually, it doesn't fit very well at all.

deut 28; 63

Uprooted, yes. But, the fact is that for long periods, Jews have done quite well in various countries, e.g. the USA.

I think you be hard-pressed to find any Jews worhipping "gods of wood or stone."

Sometimes, yes. Sometimes no.

Like I said: Sometimes yes. Sometimes no.

Great poetry, but hardly a prophecy.

Very, very few Jews have been back there, especially lately.

Uhhh, when?

The Bible ain't history. And prophecy is for profit. Try again.

RED DAVE

Johnnyboy

Well, as an atheist, I am not really keen on this, but I am not a scholar and thus quite defensless against claims of fundies.

This still bugs me:
"64 Then the LORD will scatter you among all nations, from one end of the earth to the other."

I know that this part of deut is said to be written after 587 BC, but this seems to be extreme for me.
From one end of the earth to the other?

Malachi151

What group of people doesn't this apply to in the general sense, and of course the earth has no ends, so this is impossible, and the product of someone who thought the earth was flat.

This could apply to any people from Europe or Africa or the Middle East.

Johnnyboy

Yeah, but where the israelits driven out of their country past 587 BC and settled all over the world (the parts they know)?

Johnnyboy

BTW, when was Nehemiah written? The writer of it, seems to know that passage:

Nehemiah 1:8:
"Remember the instruction you gave your servant Moses, saying, 'If you are unfaithful, I will scatter you among the nations, 9 but if you return to me and obey my commands, then even if your exiled people are at the farthest horizon, I will gather them from there and bring them to the place I have chosen as a dwelling for my Name.'

Malachi151

I don't know that they ever had a country to begin with. They lived all over the Mediterranean by the 1st century, from Spain to Africa to the Persian Gulf. Since so much of their ancient history is bogus, it's hard to make heads or tails of it.

The Bible makes claims of great empires, which no one has ever found one shred of evidence for, it's all fairly tales and wishes on their part.

There never was a time, that I know of, when all the Jews lived together on one land under their own rule. They just have tons of stories about a fantasy past in which this supposedly happened, though it never did.

John Kesler

According to Zechariah 7:14, this scattering already occurred:

RED DAVE

Why do you hate the Jews?

RED DAVE

PS. Please note, in case you didn't get the joke, that was a joke. RD