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mark9950 · 10-20-2003, 02:04 AM

Lets make that one point clear.

If you read the bible(torah) it is written from a isolationist perception of a group of people(jews/hebrews) about their God/gods.They were created by their God/gods no one else.

They are their Gods chosen people(sounds isolationist to me)

But we do not realize that there were many ancient civilizations in other parts of the world at that time.

Where did cain get his wife?He married one of the locals other than his family members.Genetically this would have to be.

braces_for_impact · 10-20-2003, 03:14 AM

I always found that interesting. It begs the question though, where are the gods that created everyone else? And which god created which people?

Where have all these other gods gone? Are they out playing Solitaire?

Artemus · 10-20-2003, 05:52 AM

The Cain and Abel story always appeared to me to have been a completely independent story that was accidentally tagged onto the creation story at one time during the oral retellings.

Radcliffe Emerson · 10-20-2003, 12:15 PM

The bible is the inerrant word of God though. And it makes no mention of other civilizations when Cain gets married.
Hence, it sounds like his sister to me!

Biff the unclean · 10-20-2003, 12:36 PM

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Originally posted by braces_for_impact
I always found that interesting. It begs the question though, where are the gods that created everyone else?

Wouldn't those be all those Gods that you shall not place before "me" in Commandment #1

penumbra · 10-20-2003, 01:19 PM

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Originally posted by Radcliffe Emerson
The bible is the inerrant word of God though. And it makes no mention of other civilizations when Cain gets married.
Hence, it sounds like his sister to me!

Hmmmmm, then I guess Eden must be somewhere in West Virginia??

Weltall · 10-20-2003, 02:26 PM

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Originally posted by Biff the unclean
Wouldn't those be all those Gods that you shall not place before "me" in Commandment #1

That's probably the standard response. Or possibly 'well God created a mate for Cain but forgot to tell the writers that', or possibly 'Yeah, Adam and Eve had another kid that nobody wrote about but incest was ok back then for (insert apologetics here)'. Still you'd think that the 'perfect account of the creation of the universe' wouldn't skimp out in explaining how the rest of us got here, right?

Radcliffe Emerson · 10-20-2003, 02:30 PM

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Originally posted by penumbra
Hmmmmm, then I guess Eden must be somewhere in West Virginia??

Ummm, I better not touch this one!

Doctor X · 10-20-2003, 03:03 PM

NO ONE LINERS!!!!

This is a Serious forum [!--Ed.] with all of that academic pretense despite the fact that most secure academics have a sense of humor.

Besides . . . I planned to opine it all occured in Arkasas, but penumbra beat me to it. . . .

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. . . where are the gods that created everyone else? And which god created which people?

Well, one of them squishes the Israelites when the king sacrifices his son to him on the battlements. I too frequently quote a mentor who remarks, "well of course there is no tradition of monotheism in the Old Testament!" It is not so much that there is only "one god" but that "your god" is bigger than everyone else's.

Returning to "Mrs. Cain" to steal a line from Inherit the Wind, I think some of the writers of the stories knew they were stories set to explain things and even entertain. We should not force fundamentalism upon them.

--J.D.

wildernesse · 10-20-2003, 04:51 PM

Of course, Cain didn't have to marry his sister. He also could have married his neice. Or a giant woman. Or woman giant.

--tibac

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10-20-2003, 02:04 AM	#1
mark9950 Banned Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: midwest usa Posts: 1,203	Cain did not marry his sister? Lets make that one point clear. If you read the bible(torah) it is written from a isolationist perception of a group of people(jews/hebrews) about their God/gods.They were created by their God/gods no one else. They are their Gods chosen people(sounds isolationist to me) But we do not realize that there were many ancient civilizations in other parts of the world at that time. Where did cain get his wife?He married one of the locals other than his family members.Genetically this would have to be.

10-20-2003, 03:14 AM	#2
braces_for_impact Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: In a nondescript, black helicopter. Posts: 6,637	I always found that interesting. It begs the question though, where are the gods that created everyone else? And which god created which people? Where have all these other gods gone? Are they out playing Solitaire?

10-20-2003, 05:52 AM	#3
Artemus Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: USA Posts: 2,467	The Cain and Abel story always appeared to me to have been a completely independent story that was accidentally tagged onto the creation story at one time during the oral retellings.

10-20-2003, 12:15 PM	#4
Radcliffe Emerson Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: the dark side of Mars Posts: 1,309	The bible is the inerrant word of God though. And it makes no mention of other civilizations when Cain gets married. Hence, it sounds like his sister to me!

10-20-2003, 04:51 PM	#10
wildernesse Veteran Member Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 1,578	Of course, Cain didn't have to marry his sister. He also could have married his neice. Or a giant woman. Or woman giant. --tibac

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