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Logic&Reason · 03-22-2006, 07:09 AM

My mother is convinced that "the jews were fabulous record keepers" and there is no way not even one word could have been altered.

Julian · 03-22-2006, 07:19 AM

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My mother is convinced that "the jews were fabulous record keepers" and there is no way not even one word could have been altered.

Well, the Greeks wrote the NT.

As for the OT, we didn't have anything older than the early middle ages until they found the Dead Sea Scrolls, which have revealed that some modifications have occurred. I am also not sure what one can say of the record keeping of a people who were essentially left homeless after successive revolts against Rome. Did they carry the ancient state records with them? Well, I am sure you know what I am saying here, will your mom listen is the real question.

Would she be willing to read something scholarly on the topic?

Julian

Phlox Pyros · 03-22-2006, 05:16 PM

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If we are going to do a section, I would suggest Mark and compare to B (03), א and TR. I think that might be fun.

Ok. I'll try to look over the text and see if I can find and interesting section to start with, then I'll see if I can find the page from the above link (could be the weekend before I find enough time...not sure). There is a version of Vaticanus and Sinaiticus online, I think, I'll just have to locate them again. As for the TR, I know there's a version out there some where. If you know a good link for the TR or the Byzantine Majority Text, please go ahead and post it.

Does IIDB host images? Would it be possible to cut out pieces of one of the images, highlight parts and post them? Just curious. I think there are free image services as well out there that could server the purpose. Could be fun...a learning experience for some and practice for others.

Let me know if you have any suggestions or ideas.

Chris Weimer · 03-22-2006, 05:17 PM

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dodging my question because you don't have the answer? Which version is the literal translation?

Young's Literal Translation is probably as literal as you'd get.

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My mother is convinced that "the jews were fabulous record keepers" and there is no way not even one word could have been altered.

This is a joke, right? Have her read any introductory book to the Dead Sea Scrolls.

Chris Weimer · 03-22-2006, 05:19 PM

Hosting images may be a violation of copyright - I'm not sure how exactly this would work. I'll contact the site and get more information. We could do a section-by-section, each person transcribes and translates?

Phlox Pyros · 03-22-2006, 05:19 PM

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I am also not sure what one can say of the record keeping of a people who were essentially left homeless after successive revolts against Rome.

Actually, considering that before the Dead Sea Scrolls (DSS) were discovered the earliest copies of the Old Testament that were available dated to around 1000A.D., it was pretty amazing to scholars when the DSS were found to be so close textually after a 1000 year span of time! (sorry for the ridiculously long sentence

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Julian · 03-22-2006, 05:21 PM

Or we could cheat and use Swanson...

Julian · 03-22-2006, 05:22 PM

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Actually, considering that before the Dead Sea Scrolls (DSS) were discovered the earliest copies of the Old Testament that were available dated to around 1000A.D., it was pretty amazing to scholars when the DSS were found to be so close textually after a 1000 year span of time! (sorry for the ridiculously long sentence

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Sure, but that's a pretty far cry from "and there is no way not even one word could have been altered."

Julian

Phlox Pyros · 03-22-2006, 05:28 PM

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Sure, but that's a pretty far cry from "and there is no way not even one word could have been altered."

Julian

Agreed.

Phlox Pyros · 03-22-2006, 05:29 PM

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Or we could cheat and use Swanson...

Nah! That'd be too easy!

It's much more fun to look at the real Uncial text. Have you done much of that? It won't take long to get the hang of it if you haven't.

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Logic&Reason Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Minnesota Posts: 684	My mother is convinced that "the jews were fabulous record keepers" and there is no way not even one word could have been altered.

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