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Old 10-25-2007, 06:49 AM   #21
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If God incarnate, the Son of God, the Logos bothered to come down to Earth and teach, why didn't he bother to get his teachings written down, preferably in Latin.
He seems to have done very well without.
Well there's a few minor matters he could have cleared up. Like should we follow the Mosaic law or not? Is it important to be poor or poor in spirit. Was he God or not? Was he planning to return soon, later or never? Is stem cell research ok? Did he hand on his authority to the Papacy?
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He seems to have done very well without.
Well there's a few minor matters he could have cleared up. Like should we follow the Mosaic law or not? Is it important to be poor or poor in spirit. Was he God or not? Was he planning to return soon, later or never? Is stem cell research ok? Did he hand on his authority to the Papacy?
You need those clearing up? Oh dear, oh dear. Ok, stem cell is a grey area.
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Old 10-25-2007, 07:15 AM   #23
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Is stem cell research ok?
Don't know what Jesus would have said/written, but as it is written in the law, Deut 22:6 ...

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6 If you come across a bird's nest beside the road, either in a tree or on the ground, and the mother is sitting on the young or on the eggs, do not take the mother with the young.
In other words, it's ok to take the young (ie. stem cell), so long as you leave the mom.
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Old 10-25-2007, 08:55 AM   #24
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In short, we have no reason to believe that HJ would have tried to write a Gospel since a.) he, his followers and his audience were probably all illiterate, b.) writing materials cost money and c.) it would not have been seen as necessary when the teachings were already being engineered to survive in oral form.
If HJ was an apocalyptic preacher, then I think we can add

d.) no reason to record anything since The End was coming soon
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Is the scholerly consensus that Jesus was illiterate?
As I understand it, the scholarly consensus is that he probably was, for two reasons. (1) It is unlikely that a Galilean peasant would ever have learned to read and write. (2) If he could have put his ideas in writing, he would have, and if he had, it is extremely improbable that his writings would not have been preserved or least referenced in later Christian writings.

Not quite conclusive proof, but I think it passes the reasonable-doubt test.
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With 90%+ illiteracy in Palestine, and with an entourage of common folk, there was nobody to whom he could write. This was an oral society. The entire Talmud was consigned to memorization until c. A.D. 200.
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Were all of his followers illiterate?
Assuming his historicity, it's hard to say. It depends on how much of the gospel narratives is factual, and that's anybody's guess.

If he had anywhere near as many followers as the gospels suggest, many of them must have been literate just on probabilistic grounds. If you're asking just about the 12 disciples, one was supposed to have been a tax collector, and I should think it likely that anyone in that profession was probably literate.
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Do you have any support for saying this?

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(1) It is unlikely that a Galilean peasant would ever have learned to read and write.
Jesus wasn't a peasant. Was Galilee a particularly poverty-stricken region?

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(2) If he could have put his ideas in writing, he would have
Why?
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Do you have any support for saying this?
My own source is JD Crossan's Historical Jesus, where he gives the 95-98% figure.
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Jesus wasn't a peasant.
If he was of the artisan class (i.e. a tekton or "builder" which is the source of the "carpenter" tradition) then he belonged to a subsistence class which actually ranked below that of peasants in 1st Century Palestine. They were basically day workers doing piece work on walls and houses for farmers.
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Yes. Unless you were Greek, anyway.
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My own source is JD Crossan's Historical Jesus, where he gives the 95-98% figure.
But how does he get that figure? In any case, 'probably' is as good as useless, in view of the character of the person under discussion.

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If he was of the artisan class (i.e. a tekton or "builder" which is the source of the "carpenter" tradition) then he belonged to a subsistence class which actually ranked below that of peasants in 1st Century Palestine. They were basically day workers doing piece work on walls and houses for farmers.
Who made and repaired doors and roofs, made furniture, carts and ploughs, as well as building houses?

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