zaitzeff

the wicked God

For years I have dreamed that if and when I die, I would see God and/or Jesus
and God and/or Jesus would say to me, "What have you done with your life to show Me?" Some people are apparently asked this question or a similar question while dead during their "near-death experience." George Ritchie says that Jesus asked him this question when he was temporally dead back in 1942 or so.

Recently I have been been praying and asking God if all people will be saved or only some. Various people I know and certain Bible writers claim that some or many people will be lost forever, or at best (for them), cease to exist. The problem I have is that one of them also seems to have supernatural knowledge about the future at times, and so I don't disregard his views lightly. Actually, this fellow, my acquaintance named John Shaner, says that he "knows" from God that in fact not all will be saved. Some will be eternally lost, he says. Whether that means eternal conscious torment or ceasing to exist, he is not so sure.

I remember that a few months ago I lacked peace in my life and/or relationship with God. I even prayed a few times, "Where is the peace that You promise?"

Now I have peace, but I wonder if God is wicked. I lacked peace when I wondered if I was failing God in some way. Now I don't worry much about that. Either God is good and all will eventually be saved, and that means that God will sooner or later show Himself to me. Or, God is rotten and some or many will be lost, and I don't need to worry about my obligations to such a wicked God.

At the present time, I foresee seeing God. Rather than God asking me about my life, I foresee my asking Him as follows:
A lot of people have reported things about you that amount to your being very wicked. Some say that you predestine certain people to burn in hell forever. Others say that you merely create them with the infallible and perfect foreknowledge of that as their fate. (And you and I both know that that amounts to the same thing as predestinating them to hell.) Still others say you create various ones with the infallible foreknowledge that they live in misery without God and then cease to exist, much as a candle that is blown out. Do you have something to say for Yourself, before I recommend that you leave and I say, "Depart from me, you evil worker iniquity"?

NearNihil Experience

This may not be exactly along the lines you're thinking, but I have always had this idea, that if indeed a God existed and had something to do with our lives and deaths, that upon death and arrival in the meta-terminal we would be asked, "Are you now ready to live?" Like this life is but a taste of the experiences you will have afterward...and if you couldn't hadle all the things a simple mortal life had to offer, you obviously couldn't handle eternal life and should opt for annihiliation.

not that I believe it, its just always been a thought in my mind. It puts people in perspective for me...the people who can't think that this is all we get...doomed for being pathetic, the people who complain all the time about life and its little problems...doomed...those who die with a smile on their face and peace in their hearts...an offer to go around somemore, only more intense.

Of course, God in this case os not the God of Abraham...no,no. This one actually cares enough to give you choices, options, and loving guidance...like I said don't believe it, but tis a nice thought that keeps me in tune with the positive in life when its really hard to do so.

sorry...ramble, ramble, ramble.... :wave:

Lógos Sokratikós

The title of the thread goes: "personal peace, universalism and the wicked God"... Zaitzeff, you only mentioned the wicked god... :huh:

THX1138

I had a near-death experience once, but instead of Jesus, I saw Shikleyegaploggen, who is a deity worshipped by the alien race that lives on the second planet of Alpha Ursa Minor.

I asked myself, "Who the hell is this green three-eyed mofo?"

But He sent me back to the operating room table where I lieth, buth beforeth thateth happenedeth, He spaketh at lengeth to me (with boomingest reverb): "thou puny earthlings are all going to burneth in helleth for eternity because you've never heardeth of me & doneth the Will of Shikleyegaploggen."

I said, "But how could we humans knoweth about you-- we've never madeth contacteth with these aliens on Alpha Ursa Minor II & they've apparently never triedeth to contacteth us! This isn'test fair!"

And so he spaketh to me again, sayingeth: "Tough shiteth! I'm letting you getteth offeth easy for now, but in a few years, I'll be backeth for your soul if you do not follow my commandeths."

And I saidesth to Himeth, "But what are your commandments? I know noteth them!" But he spaketh no more...

So now I walketh the eartheth, grieving over the facteth thateth I'm going to hell all because I've beeneth worshipping the wrong damn god. And now I'm stucketh with thiseth weird lispeth. What an asshole...

J

P.S. Me thinketh thou dosteth overthinketh speculative metaphysical matter noone canneth really answereth.

Toto

This seems to be more of a General Religious thread than a Biblical Criticism thread. (For example, dreams, prayers and supernatural knowledge are outside of this forum's mission.)

I will move it.

Lógos Sokratikós

:rolling:

T.O.M.-eth,
Former Lousy-Anner

sourdough

why would God need to ask that,when He's supposed to be All knowing?

J-D

Do you think it would be (a) funnier (b) less funny or (c) just the same if you used the -eth suffix correctly?

THX1138

Whateth the helleth are youeth talking abouteth?

And why doeth I have thith cottonball in my mouthetheth!?

J

Biff the unclean

Ya know, I don’t think that I’ve ever run into anyone who expressed a need for “personal peace� other than Christians saying it was a benefit that their faith offered. All of the turmoil going on in your head is “thought,� it’s the intellectual process. Why would you not want that?