Steven Carr

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'Wright’s assertion is quite simply that the essence of Paul’s Gospel was “Jesus is Lord� and that meant, “Caesar isn’t.�'

What was 'subversive' about this?

Before his conversion to Christianity, Paul would have thought that the LORD was the Lord, and that meant 'Caesar isn't. So how can a declaration that a Jew did not regard Caesar as Yahweh, or the Lord, be subversive, or a breakthough in NT scholarship,or even a major part of any Gospel? All Jews believed it anyway.

Paul is not the least bit subversive. He tells everyone to remain in their places, whether slave or master, because he regards change as pointless when the entire social system is to be swept aside anyway.

Of course, that never happened. The Roman Empire , that 'parody' of an Empire , in Wright's word, outlasted Paul by centuries, and was never replaced by a kingdom of God.

WILLOWTREE

Agree - good point.

Religiously, Paul was God-ordained "subversive".

When he arrived in Jerusalem a riot broke out.

James the epistle writer peacefully co-existed with the Jews while pastoring the Jerusalem church.

False assumption that the Kingdom was supposed to manifest in the First century.

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Steven Carr

So what was supposed to happen after Jerusalem was destroyed?

When was the Kingdom supposed to manifest?

WILLOWTREE

Thats the million dollar question.

Christians are supposed to expect it as happening very soon.

Thats why First centurian christianity thought Jesus would return anyday.

The Kingdom will come after the 7 year Great Tribulation period.

The 7 year G.T.P. cannot begin until a unknown world figure suddenly emerges with a Mideast peace plan that both sides will readily accept. Whoever that person is is called Anti-Christ in Scripture.

Just prior to the above event the true church of Jesus Christ will be raptured away then world peace will ensue THEN God will unleash His wrath on the world during the 7 year Great Tribulation Period.

At the end of the Great 7 year Tribulation is when Jesus will return in clouds of glory and set up His kingdom.

The signs of the end times are prevalent if you have Bible-sense.

IOW, we cannot be more than 20 years tops away from the G.T.P. - probably about 10 judging by advanced implant technology (mark of the beast).

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