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Old 08-22-2011, 09:43 PM   #101
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The rudeness and offensiveness is not directed against mythicism per se. Who has been rude and offensive against Wells, for example?
Wells is functionally of a pre-internet era and was sufficiently ignored to have him nullified. The process is called "repressive tolerance". In internet the process is somewhat different, because of internet's reach.
I think that is my point. Wells should have got out more.
If he had had his impact in the internet era he would have gone the same way as Doherty: ad hominem, misrepresentation, and assumed conclusions.

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Your reference to Dave31 is another bait-and-switch. In the end here all you've done is assert "The rudeness and offensiveness is not directed against mythicism per se." You say Godfrey isn't correct, but you don't support your assertion. I guess you have no logical reason to make the assertion.
I have no idea what you are talking about. I'm saying Godfrey isn't correct about what?
My original question to you was:
Is Neil Godfrey incorrect in his judgment when he asks, "Why must scholars like yourself and McGrath and Crossley and Fredriksen be rude and offensive when mythicism is discussed?" If so, how would you describe their behavior when faced with having to comment on mythicism?
I thought you were attempting to answer that question.

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Sure. Please call Ehrman out whenever he is dismissive and condescending.
I'll probably call him on various other things as well. We've been through the evidence and unless he has the rabbit in there, he's bound to fail.
Agreed. Erhman walking == Deadman walking!
But then, we could say that about anyone who has claimed a position on the issue:
McGrath walking == Deadman walking
Doherty walking == Deadman walking
Etc.
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Old 08-22-2011, 10:26 PM   #102
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Toto, we will see if I am right in about three months. When Ehrman's book comes out, I'm going to make myself a big bag of popcorn and sit back and wait for the fun to begin. It should be great!
What do you honestly think Ehrman can bring to the discussion that hasn't been dealt with before? Enjoy your small amusements!
That's just it. I honestly don't think that Ehrman will bring anything new to the discussion. That's why I'm anticipating the blow to his credibility on this board after his ebook comes out in November: Dave31's outrage at him for not reading Acharya S, whether he's read her work or not; Earl Doherty's [censored]; Mountain man's picking over any pre-Constantine evidence used by Ehrman; Neil "Mr Furious" Godfrey's claims of intellectual dishonesty, etc. All coming together in a perfect storm!

Coming soon: "Perfect Storm II: the mythicist tsunami!" Available on all good forums from Nov 22!
Citing Bhodi from Point Break and the "50 year storm" focussed at Bells might be appropriate.
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Old 08-23-2011, 07:06 AM   #103
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The rudeness and offensiveness is not directed against mythicism per se. Who has been rude and offensive against Wells, for example?

Wells was a Professor of German.

That counts as a refutation of his theories, in some quarters.No ad hominems against mythicists there!


http://winteryknight.wordpress.com/2...torical-jesus/

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Old 08-23-2011, 10:41 AM   #104
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Hey guys I know I haven't been posting anything really insightful/relevant lately but I am reading what you guys are saying and finding it useful especially when I am being directed to sources. Just wanted to let you all know I appreciate it.
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The rudeness and offensiveness is not directed against mythicism per se. Who has been rude and offensive against Wells, for example?

Wells was a Professor of German.

That counts as a refutation of his theories, in some quarters.No ad hominems against mythicists there!


http://winteryknight.wordpress.com/2...torical-jesus/

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I can recall somewhere in discussions, perhaps elsewhere, that Arthur Drews was called a Nazi. No ad hominems against mythicists there! For people looking for sources of critical scholars bookmark to browse and/or read The Witnesses to the Historicity of Jesus (1912) by Arthur Drews, translated by Joseph McCabe
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I can recall somewhere in discussions, perhaps elsewhere, that Arthur Drews was called a Nazi. No ad hominems against mythicists there! ...
This is not completely baseless, but it is false.

Drews, who died in 1935, was in favor of a German religion, but as noted here
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... though not being a member of the National Socialist German Workers Party (NSDAP), Drews showed affinities to a 'German religion' project, similar to that of Goebbels, which made him appear as a Nazi.

On the other hand, Drews spoke against the growing antisemitism during the Weimarian Republic. As a scholar, Drews had always been objective and honest.
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Drews ultimately embraced a form of Germanic Neopaganism and was instrumental in early attempts during the Nazi era to unite the various German pagan organizations into a unified body.[5] It was in this period that Drews wrote Deutsche Religion, a book that has been described as a "[w]ork on the ‘new’ German religion that mixes faith and Nazi mysticism."[6]
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Toto, we will see if I am right in about three months. When Ehrman's book comes out, I'm going to make myself a big bag of popcorn and sit back and wait for the fun to begin. It should be great!
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Maybe we should start a pool: how soon will the first charge of "intellectual dishonesty" be raised against Ehrman on this board after he publishes his e-book? A week? A day? Before he even publishes it? I vote the last one.
Let's start a pool.

http://jesuspuzzle.humanists.net/siltop20.htm

Doherty has 20 top places where a historical Jesus would have done something worthy of comment by members of his fan club.

Let's see if we can guess how many of those passages are directly addressed by Bart Ehrman in his book where he will directly address mythicist arguments.

My money is on zero.

Anybody think it will be higher than 2?
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