Johnny Skeptic

Message to arnoldo: If you decided that you wanted to protect John Smith from being attacked by his enemies because John Smith was your friend, would you injure or kill him? Of course you wouldn't, which invites the question "If God wanted to protect Jews from their enemies, why did he sometimes injure or kill them with storms and harmful microorganisms? With parasites alone, God has killed more people than all of the wars in history, and he has done so indiscriminately without any regard for a person's worldview. It is utter nonsense for anyone to assume that God would protect Jews from being injured or killed by humans, but not from being injured or killed by anything else.

arnoldo

So your statement "There is little doubt that Ezekiel knew of Nebuchadnezzar's plans to invade Tyre in advance....." is based on what? Because it is accurate?

Johnny Skeptic

Message to arnoldo: Why does God predict the future? If you refuse the answer the question, I will ask it a thousand more times if I need to. The undecided crowd are not impressed with evasiveness. They interpret evasiveness as weakness. I usually directly answer your questions. You usually do not directly answer my questions. I assume that this post will not be an exception.

If President Bush was able to predict anything that he wanted to predict, how long do you think it would take him to convince at least 90% of Americans that he can predict the future? I assume that it would take him less than a week. How about you?

Christians believe that Micah 5:2 says that a messiah would come who would become ruler of Israel. Jesus did not become ruler of Israel. This means that God needlessly mislead the Jews. If God had inspired Micah to write that the messiah would rule a heavenly kingdom, and heal people, and be crucified, and rise from the dead after three days, and that Pontius Pilate would become Governor of Palestine, how many Jews do you think would have rejected Jesus? There is no doubt whatsoever that Jews expected a messiah to come who would rule an earthly kindgom.

There is more evidence that God mislead the Jews. In the NASB, 2 Samuel 7:10 says "I will fix a place for my people Israel; I will plant them so that they may dwell in their place without further disturbance. Neither shall the wicked continue to afflict them as they did of old." The Partition of Palestine most certainly did not fulfill that prophecy, and it never will because 1) Jews are surrounded by hostile neighbors, 2) there are terrorists who live in Israel, 3) some Muslim countries are developing nuclear weapons, 4) the Bible say that there will always be wars and rumors of wars in this life, and 5) the Bible says that in the last days, nation will turn against nation.

There is not any doubt whatsoever that the Jews expected that they would have a homeland where no one would bother them. Since 2 Samuel 7:10 can never be fulfilled in this life, and since it refers to this life, it is a false prophecy.

Readers can expect all kinds of evasive tactics from you regarding your reply to this post. Just like sugarhitman, you dictatorially insist on determining whose questions get answers, and what issue get discussed. That is not fair.

arnoldo

I don't know.

Johnny Skeptic

Let me put it another way. Since you are the claimant, it is not up to me to reasonably prove when Ezekiel wrote the Tyre prophecy. That is up to you. I was not there, and neither were you. How do you propose that we find out when Ezekiel wrote the Tyre prophecy?

arnoldo

Let me put it another way. God doesn't predict the future since obviously the historical record proves his "predictions" were never correct, right?

Amaleq13

We already have a thread about the failed prophecy of Tyre's destruction. Please avoid unnecessary duplication and thread titles that call out another member.

Thanks in advance,

Amaleq13, BC&H moderator