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John Kesler · 04-01-2007, 05:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Visionary7

That the word of God is divinely-inspired and inerrant.

Since you believe that the Bible is inerrant, please tell me how long the Israelites sojourned in Egypt. The topic is being discussed in this thread. Exodus 12:40-41 says this:

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40 The time that the Israelites had lived in Egypt was four hundred thirty years. 41 At the end of four hundred thirty years, on that very day, all the companies of Yahweh went out from the land of Egypt.

Do you agree with these verses? If I show you other information which conflicts with them, would you consider the Bible to be errant?

Steve Weiss · 04-01-2007, 06:29 AM

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Originally Posted by figuer

I consider it to be a collection of fables/legends/myths mixed with mistical texts, poetry, some philosophical insights and some historical records (which in some cases might be accurate and in other inaccurate).

A book full of: perversion sold as morality, bloodletting commanded by a psychotic deity, manipulation, deceit, and threats of punishment for nonbelief that has retarded Western Civilization for over a millennium. The book should be x-rated and not be made available to children under the age of 18.

Steve Weiss · 04-01-2007, 06:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Iznomneak

This atheist thinks that the bible makes some ridiculously absurd claims. For example:

It's as believable as the plot of "Night Of The Living Dead".

Sounds like an old Michael Jackson dvd.

Steve Weiss · 04-01-2007, 06:32 AM

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Originally Posted by suttsteve

For all intents and purposes, it's just a storybook that certain people never grow out of believing. It's sad, really.

Sad is putting it too mildly. Evil and dangerous is more like it.

Steve Weiss · 04-01-2007, 06:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Weltall

Not really, I thought it got your point across nicely. If you honestly think it's horrible, you'll find that once you've been here long enough nobody will remember it. It's not like your first post was 'Jesus is your Lord, burn in Hell, spingly fnord bop!' or something. Welcome to II. :wave:

Now then, since I know Visionary thinks that the Bible is wonderful fact, I'm going to ask why he thinks that. Visionary, what evidence outside your own mind leads you to believe anything the book says? Your alleged visions don't count, you admit to being diagnosed with a mental illness so your subjective experiences mean even less to us than they would otherwise.

If one considers that people claimed to be in communication with a deity in the bible and even today and do so with conviction and a straight face, then Visonary is in good company. Anyone claiming such powers should be safely housed in an institution where they will not be a danger either to themselves or to others.

The minister of the Saddleback Church in Southern California (a Mr. Webber I think) that recently debated our would-be hero Sam Harris claims to speak to god daily. Poor Sam never asked what these little talks are about, but someone who makes such public statements should be held to account. Sam is a bit of a mystic himself, so one can't expect much from him, but perhaps others can step into the breach.

Iznomneak · 04-01-2007, 06:44 AM

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Originally Posted by theRuiner

I really miss DfT, he was always a source of entertainment, in a :headdesk: kind of way.

He's haunting the Skeptic's Annotated Bible Discussion Board these days with his anti-global warming tirades:

http://p099.ezboard.com/quotManmadeq...cID=1269.topic

http://p099.ezboard.com/Are-you-a-gl...cID=1267.topic

Steve Weiss · 04-01-2007, 06:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Gooch's dad

Which bible? And since the write of Jude quotes from both the Book of Enoch and the Assumption of Moses, are those books also considered to be part of the canon? Why or why not?

V7, which version are you talking about? The Catholic bible or the Protestant bible? Are 1st and 2nd Maccabees, Tobit, and Baruch books that are part of this "bible" that you're asking about?

I think the Bible in any version is mostly just ancient myths. There is a moderate amount of Jewish history mixed in, though only in the bits after the time of Solomon. Everything before that is definitely mythology--especially the tales about the Exodus, which never happened.

I think the NT is largely hagiography, with a historical core of sayings of and about Jesus. The Revelation of St. John is nothing but the ravings of a madman.

There is no universal bible.

Steve Weiss · 04-01-2007, 06:47 AM

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Originally Posted by purple_kathryn

Some of the places exist

So what? Ireland exists. What does that prove?

Steve Weiss · 04-01-2007, 06:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Visionary7

As an Orthodox Christian, I treat the holy bible as a treasure chest and a book for guidance and instruction in the lettters of scripture. That the word of God is divinely-inspired and inerrant.

Many tyrants have believed as you do. They burned non-believers at the stake, organized pogroms and holocausts, Crusades and Inquistions, retarded science and plunged Europe into the Dark Ages. If I were you, and I'm glad that I'm not, I'd never admit to being a Christian. Jesus espoused the same. See Luke 19:27. That is, if you think that there really was a Jesus instead of someone doing ghost (holy or otherwise) writing for a mythological legend.

Steve Weiss · 04-01-2007, 06:56 AM

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Originally Posted by DBT

Regarding the bible - as some of its content and claims can be verified, and some cannot - what does the material evidence suggest we should 'believe?'

Verify some for me that are relevant and central to the theme of this fiction.

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