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Old 03-09-2012, 06:58 AM   #11
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Scotsman fallacy.

Who appointed you the supreme decider of what is or is not Christian?
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Surely the same question might be asked in return.

But the idea that no-one can know what a Christian is seems ridiculous. The other suggestion, that anyone who claims to be one must be on, likewise seems rather silly. It isn't true of any other ideological group, nor is it explained why it must be true of the Christians.
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I don't think it's unreasonable to call Catholic church "Christian."
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Surely the same question might be asked in return.

But the idea that no-one can know what a Christian is seems ridiculous. The other suggestion, that anyone who claims to be one must be on, likewise seems rather silly. It isn't true of any other ideological group, nor is it explained why it must be true of the Christians.
The prolem is the JC in the NT did not leave much in the way of instructrions. The man of rthe story was and remained a Jew. Other than Leviticus there is little in the OT as to codes of conduct or requirements.

The closest thing Christians have to a creed or code is the Sermon On The Mount.

The single common thread among Christians is the belief in the ressurection based on the events depicted in trhe NT and the referenced 'witnesses'.

A Christian is anyone who declares to be one. Many protestants in the USA reject both Mormonism and Catholocis as not being 'biblically based'. Christians in the USA will publically berate thers for not being 'real Christians'. Santorum attacked Obama saying Obama's political philosophy was not biblically based, wharever that means.

To be a Catholic you hvae to buy into certain defined theological requirements, all created by the RCC theogians over time.

Calvinists, Lutherans, Quakers and rthe rest all have different views on what a Christian is. Add to that thousabds of small independent churchs.

Buddhism has a clear set of behaviors attributed to the alleged historical Buddha.

Islam has a set of specific criteria. The Koran is detailed.
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Surely the same question might be asked in return.

But the idea that no-one can know what a Christian is seems ridiculous. The other suggestion, that anyone who claims to be one must be on, likewise seems rather silly. It isn't true of any other ideological group, nor is it explained why it must be true of the Christians.
The prolem is the JC in the NT did not leave much in the way of instructrions.
Is "Love your neighbour as yourself" too little, or too much?
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Where did the roman pagans go? They went to the bin of history—to borrow a Marxists saying--- they went to the same place where the overseers in slave plantations and monarchists in the USA etc went.

Which 4th century Marxists put the pagans in the sin bin of history?


How was this achieved? What was the history of this process?
Paganism, to borrow a phrase from the Marxists, went to the “dustbin of history”, they went to the place where other primitive and harmful practices go.

They went to where the overseers of slave plantations and monarchists are in the USA and for the same reasons.

Paganism died of senility among the indifference of Romans and barbarians
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The prolem is the JC in the NT did not leave much in the way of instructrions.
Is "Love your neighbour as yourself" too little, or too much?
It's Jewish. OT. Leviticus.
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Is "Love your neighbour as yourself" too little, or too much?
1. What if you don't love yourself ?
2. What about the Nicene Creed V18.46 ?
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Is "Love your neighbour as yourself" too little, or too much?
1. What if you don't love yourself ?
There is exemption in that case.

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JC in the NT did not leave that.
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Is "Love your neighbour as yourself" too little, or too much?
It's Jewish. OT. Leviticus.
Actually that has been shown to be common across historical cultures in one form or another. Do unto others as you would have them do to you, or the the golden rule.

The Koran has very specific details on Muslim society. Buddhism has a very specific code of behavior.

The JC of the story was a rabai who never repudiated Judaism. As such he would not have needed to crete anything, he was a Jew. Chrtians via Paul see JC as a new cocvenet for all, hgence the old covenent no longer applied such as dietay rules.

The end result is Christians via the reformation are free to freely interpert scripture and determine god's will. The resut of that is widely divergent Christian sects.
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