chimaira

Hello has all,

one me A say that the Gospels was at the origin in araméen, there is
words which do not have an origin araméenne in the gospels ?

thank you all for information, bye .

spin

We have argued the merits of Aramaic primacy in this forum.

There are some words in the nt which are Aramaic: abba, talitha kumi, and a few others. Some argue that these are signs of the original language of the texts. I have argued that they are inconsequential magic phrases.

Some people have said that there are structures that reflect an Aramaic pre-cursor, but when I look I cannot find sufficient evidence for such claims.

I don't believe there is sufficient reason to believe that there was an Aramaic text before the gospels we now know.

There is an internet site which deals with the Peshitta (Aramaic bible) and the priority of the Aramaic nt. You may find some of their information here.


spin

chimaira

thank you rotation, is my question the Gospels contain words not araméen?

thank

French Prometheus

Chimaira, the French word araméen translates as "Aramaic" in English.

Diogenes the Cynic

Did Chimaira just call Spin "rotation?" :rolling:

I wonder if he's using some sort of translating program.

French Prometheus

I hadn't seen it. :rolling:

judge

If I understand you correctly, you are asking whether there are words in the gospels which are not Aramaic words?

The word for "gospel" or good news is a greek word, evangellion, even in Aramaic versions.
This word for "glad tidings" (or a similar one) was even used by the Roman empire as seen in the Priene Inscription .

chimaira

hello, yes I have a program which translate of French to English,it translate badly, excuse me, if I come on this forum it is that in France the studies on the Bible are not pushed like here .

Judge the page on the inscription does not post itself

ps : for the word "Gospel" it is a translation of the Greek, but Jesus did use words not araméens in the NT?

bye all !!!

Diogenes the Cynic

All of the Gospels are written in Greek. All of the words that Jesus speaks in the Gospels are Greek (except for a very few instances of Aramaic). We do not have an original Aramaic record of the words of Jesus. We only have Greek renditions of what Jesus said which most scholars do not believe are direct translations but were composed or paraphrased directly in Greek by the authors themselves (or copied from other Greek sources).

judge

Yes at times in the greek version the words of jesus appear in Aramaic, as do nicknames and local place names.
Aramaic words can be found in the greek versions of pauls letters as well.

Not only that but poetry can be found in the gospels and letters in Aramaic.

Here is an interesting piece of poetry in luke 7:32

Seems this may have been a real song perhaps.

Zamran Lakhun - "We sang to you"
w'La Raqdithun - "And you did not dance"

w'Alyan Lakhun - "And we have mourned for you"
w'La Bakhithun - "And you did not cry"