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Visionary7 · 04-21-2005, 12:42 AM

Ask questions.

It helps to be specific and verse the passages to me first, but if you give me enough details, I morely than likely have studied the Bible enough to quickly find a reference the said verse the skeptic may have difficulty with passage in terms of understanding it metaphoricallly or literally.

Jesus?

Prophecy?

Intrepretation?

Shoot.

Only here to help.

Prester John · 04-21-2005, 01:45 AM

How do you know when to interpret metaphorically or literally?

Vorkosigan · 04-21-2005, 02:19 AM

I was wondering about the irony in Mark 15:39. Can you tell me whether it is an example of verbal irony or dramatic irony, and why?

Visionary7 · 04-21-2005, 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Prester John

How do you know when to interpret metaphorically or literally?

Most of the time, I do neither. Intrepret literally but it comes out metaphorically and likewise the other way around.

Visionary7 · 04-21-2005, 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Vorkosigan

I was wondering about the irony in Mark 15:39. Can you tell me whether it is an example of verbal irony or dramatic irony, and why?

I don't believe anything in the Bible is irony, per se, but fulfilled Scripture..The Jews (centurion) didn't realize Jesus was the Son of God until after they crucified Him, The Father in Heaven displayed His power after Jesus breathed his last. Reference the "curtain" of the temple being torn in two.

Wallener · 04-21-2005, 08:48 AM

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The Jews...didn't realize Jesus was the Son of God until after they crucified Him.

Does this back door prosletyzing belong in BC&H? Anyway, you've got it exactly backwards: being crucified is precisely why he wasn't the Messiah. It is not possible to nail the Jewish Messiah to a tree, therefore, if nailed to a tree, then not Messiah.

Toto · 04-21-2005, 10:54 AM

Proselyzing or not, Visionary7 is not doing standard Biblical Criticism. I think this is outside the scope of this forum.

funinspace · 04-21-2005, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Visionary7

Ask questions.

It helps to be specific and verse the passages to me first, but if you give me enough details, I morely than likely have studied the Bible enough to quickly find a reference the said verse the skeptic may have difficulty with passage in terms of understanding it metaphoricallly or literally.

Was there literally a world wide all engulfing flood around 2200-2400 BCE? Since it can go several different ways from what every your answer is, I won't add what I would consider the obvious follow up questions yet.

Visionary7 · 04-24-2005, 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Wallener

Does this back door prosletyzing belong in BC&H? Anyway, you've got it exactly backwards: being crucified is precisely why he wasn't the Messiah. It is not possible to nail the Jewish Messiah to a tree, therefore, if nailed to a tree, then not Messiah.

Perhaps so.. I didn't move this thread here. It was supposed to remain in BC&H, just like my other threads, I feel they are manipulated and abused by admin and mod powers here. The whole point of this thread was purely of BC&H.

He was nailed to the Cross. not a tree. Where is everyone gathering this info that Jesus Christ is not the Messiah? Which also substantiates why this thread is supposed to be in BC&H.

Visionary7 · 04-24-2005, 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Toto

Proselyzing or not, Visionary7 is not doing standard Biblical Criticism. I think this is outside the scope of this forum.

I beg to differ. Dude what is up with the constant manipulating and moving/locking of my threads?!

How's this for BC&H?

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Yacov Rambsel is a Messianic Jewish pastor in San Antonio, Texas, who searched the Hebrew texts for
a couple of decades by hand without the aid of a computer. He found the term "Yeshua is my name"
under the text of Isaiah 53:10 using every 20th letter. Isaiah 53:10 is about the suffering Messiah, and for
our Jewish friends, how fortunate that God our Father embedded the name of the Messiah Yeshua
(Jesus) there for all to find. Another example is Zechariah 11:12, where the surface text prophesies the
price that Judas would eventually receive for his act of betrayal, 30 pieces of silver. Underneath the
surface text at a spacing of 24 letters is the name hidden, "Yeshua". Many more examples are given
throughout the book, YESHUA, THE NAME OF JESUS REVEALED IN THE OLD TESTAMENT.

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04-21-2005, 01:45 AM	#2
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Vorkosigan Contributor Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Barrayar Posts: 11,866	I was wondering about the irony in Mark 15:39. Can you tell me whether it is an example of verbal irony or dramatic irony, and why?

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Toto Contributor Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Los Angeles area Posts: 40,549	Proselyzing or not, Visionary7 is not doing standard Biblical Criticism. I think this is outside the scope of this forum.

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